Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Howard Paul


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Henry Howard Paul

 * ... that actor and writer Henry Howard Paul relationship with Letty Lind led to his separation from Mrs Howard Paul?
 * ALT1: ... that American writer and actor Henry Howard Paul found fame with his wife Gilbert and Sullivan actress Mrs Howard Paul?

Created/expanded by Jack1956 (talk). Self nominated at 20:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC).


 * QPQ: reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Rocket Fizz


 * Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. NPOV. No copyvios or close paraphrasing found when comparing the available sources. The problem I have with the first hook is that it lacks an available online citation and I'm struggling to find a decent source for it. The problem with ALT1 is that his wife only acted in a G&S role after they separated, so the hook could be seen as misleading. Also, the image is probably suitably licensable for the front page, but is not yet on Commons. Help! Edwardx (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I found this, if it's an acceptable citation. Can't the offline citation be accepted? Otherwise how about ALT2? Jack1956 (talk) 12:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg That source does mention the relationship, but it does not explicitly state that it led to the separation (even if it might seem to us to be hardly surprising!). Plus it is a blog. On the plus side, I'm happy with ALT3. I've unlinked Great Britain and tweaked the link at the end. So, I'll sign it off on that basis and strike the other hooks. Good to go! Edwardx (talk) 22:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT2: ... that American writer and actor Henry Howard Paul found fame in Great Britain with his wife Mrs Howard Paul?

I'm a bit confused by this turn of phrase; what does "found fame... with his wife" mean? Does it mean he became famous with the help of his wife? Or that his wife was famous and he became famous as a result? That he simply became famous when he was married? Or that they both became famous separately? Sorry, I'm not normally one to make such a picayune post, but I am generally confused by the wording. The good news is I suspect it's one or two words away from being much less so. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It means he was unknown until he married his wife and the two together became famous as a husband and wife partnership. How about:


 * ALT3: ... that American writer and actor Henry Howard Paul became famous in Great Britain after appearing with his wife? Jack1956 (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that does strike me as much more clear. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg New full review for ALT3a (below): New enough (for 3 May) and long enough. Hook checks out in online citation #4. Hook image is free. QPQ OK. No problems with disambig links. Issues: (1) External link for citation #8 is broken (you may be able to find a cached link to this site). (2) External links #1, #11 and #12 are inaccessible due to being pay-per-view (these can be written as offline sources; freebmd can help with #1 and #11 if you already know name, place and date). If you can resolve these external link problems, this nom will be good to go.--Storye book (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm suggesting a slight clarification to ALT3:
 * ALT3a: ... that American writer and actor Henry Howard Paul became famous in Great Britain after appearing on stage with his wife (both pictured)?
 * I think it's clearer that this fame is as a performer, and that his wife was one as well. It's an edit I would probably have made if ALT3 went to prep, but only if I'd noticed the promotion in time, so better to mention it now. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: just added a "pictured" notation to the hook, in case the picture is used. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, BlueMoonset for ALT3a, and I agree with your comments about it. I've struck ALT3, and adjusted my review above so that it now refers to ALT3a. Issues (1) and (2) raised in my review have still not been resolved . Oddly, the ext. link for citation #12 is now working for me, although I have not paid to see it, although links #1 and #11 still request payment. Offline citation details for #1 and #11 citations can be found at freebmd.--Storye book (talk) 09:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have tried to address the issues you mentioned; I have repaired the broken link, and rather than put the Ancestry links as off-line citations I have added 'pay to view' because a lot of people are subscribers to Ancestry and these will be be able to access this information. Thanks Jack1956 (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Well I've learned something new - just looked it up and found this: WP:PAYWALL. So your addition to the pay-to-view citations is OK. I'm surprised because editors have removed my pay-to-view citations in the past, which is why I was questioning it in your article. All resolved now. Good to go. --Storye book (talk) 11:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)