Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Mathewson


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The result was: promoted by Kosack (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Henry Mathewson

 * ... that pitcher Henry Mathewson and his brothers, among them Hall of Famer Christy Mathewson, were said to have been taught to throw by their mother?
 * ALT1:... that Henry Mathewson walked more batters in a single game than any National League pitcher since 1906?

5x expanded by JustJamie820 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg The expansion is new enough and long enough, with an approximately tenfold prose expansion. The article is generally well-formatted (although the date and year links for his birth date should probably be removed) and generally well-sourced. The hooks both strike me as interesting, and the length of them complies with DYK standards. There are some issues I see, however:
 * The bolded article needs to be linked in both of the hooks to comply with DYK formatting requirements.
 * In the primary hook, Christy Mathewson being a Baseball Hall of Fame member isn't mentioned in the article, much less cited in the article, which is a requirement. This fact should be relatively easy to reliably source and insert into the article. The hooky part of the blurb checks out, but we need everything to check out or there will be complaints.
 * In ALT1, the source only appears in the note. The fact checks out in the note, but someone will inevitably notice the lack of a source in the article proper and critique that point. My recommendation is to add the source at the end of the sentence in addition to the note, as is done at the end of the previous paragraph.
 * Also in ALT1, this may be a minor point, but I strongly suggest linking the National League, for the benefit of non-baseball fans. Hall of Famer is another term that could use a link, while I'm on the subject. The good news is that the hook fact is supported by the source.
 * Spot-checks of refs 1, 8, and 10 reveal one issue: Ref 1 doesn't specifically say Mathewson's career ended due to tuberculosis, though it does seem obvious from the context. Still, it's a verifiability issue. To fix it, I'd say he played semi-pro baseball through 1915 before contracting tuberculosis in 1916, which is phrasing that the source supports. Otherwise, the content I looked at was well-supported with no close paraphrasing concerns.
 * As an editor who has had at least 5 articles appear on DYK in the past, you are now required to do a "quid pro quo" review of another DYK nomination for this nom to be passed. I don't think the QPQ requirement was in force when you last edited at DYK, but be aware of it as I saw at least one other nom by you, and you'll have to review one article per nom of yours.
 * For the benefit of whomever moves this nom when the time comes, the review is here. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 16:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As an optional point, you could add the photo from the infobox here. It's from a 1906 newspaper, so its public domain status is quite clear. There's no guarantee the image will actually run at DYK (most photos listed on the nom page don't), but it will at least be in the running. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 03:50, 28 November 2018 (UTC) (note:  In the process of changing username...)

Hi. I admittedly misread some of the rules for DYK (it's been a long time since I submitted an article to it, and the process has changed since then), so I do admittedly have some mistakes. (I think I read the "don't link" rule as not linking Henry Mathewson in the DYK.) What I don't know is if I can fix them above without violating some sort of guideline. I want to just outright add the linking to Henry in the hooks, but I didn't think I was allowed to edit this page like that. Even though I've had an account for awhile, I still don't know all the rules because I've had so many times away from it.

Anyway, beyond that, here's how I'll respond to everything.
 * 1. I have added a link to Christy Mathewson's HOF page.  I'm not convinced I did it right, but we'll see.
 * 2. I have put the source for the 14+ walk pitchers in the main article, as well as in the note since I felt that keeping the AL pitchers who were better was important, but if someone deems it otherwise, that's okay.
 * 3. Again, I wasn't sure if I could straight up edit like that; that's why it hasn't been done yet.
 * 4. I removed the idea that tuberculosis caused his career to end, instead mentioning his career ended in 1915.
 * 5. Yes, that's a new idea to me...like I said, it's been awhile.  I do like the idea, though, and since I do have another DYK idea in the offing, I'll do two of these...maybe if I read the guidelines, I can do this correctly.  :)
 * 6. I kind of like the picture on the SABR page a little more.  :)  Seriously, though, I wasn't thinking about including the picture since I didn't add it and I didn't think the article would get the first line.  I'm willing to give that (or the SABR picture) a shot once I'm sure I can edit this particular page with one without violating a guideline.

Thanks for the review. Oh, one more question: Since my username is now changed from Transaspie to JustJamie820, can I straight up edit the mention of the old name above or does that violate a rule? Anyway, let me know if I need to do anything else, and clarify if I can straight up edit the hook without breaching the rules. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 05:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Update: I have decided to take initiative and fix the formatting on my own. I also reviewed Your Call Football, but I don't know where to mention it. Anyway, one down, one to go. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with you updating the user name above. Just one issue left for me: In the new sentence on Mathewson being in the Hall of Fame (in the lead), I'd add the Henry Mathewson SABR ref to that area right next to the Baseball Hall of Fame cite, because the Hall of Fame page doesn't support the younger brother bit. I normally don't advocate putting a bunch of citations in the lead when the content is supported in the body of an article, but since this is part of a hook I don't want anyone checking that source to see only half of the content supported. Fix that and this will be good to go, in my eyes. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 16:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I've done what you suggested...maybe even correctly. :)  Let me know if any other issues pop up.  Thanks for your help, by the way, with getting me back into the swing of DYK, both with what I knew from the past and what I didn't know (like QPQ reviews) from the present. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Everything looks ready now. Among the hooks, my personal preference is ALT1, as it could be argued that the first one is as much about Christy as Henry, who is the subject of the article in question and arguably should be the one the hook focuses on. However, they do both check out. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the approval. It's been a pleasure working with you on this. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 07:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC)