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Holy Cross Church, Gilling

 * ... that Holy Cross Church, Gilling is colloquially known as Saint Helena's, who reputedly discovered the True Cross?
 * Reviewed: Move (Third Day album)

Created/expanded by Gilderien (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Date and length OK. However the hook is not referenced in the article. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Referenced.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 12:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've also made a review.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 10:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Several problems. First, the article is listed as a stub, and it also reads like one; hooks that are stubs are not eligible. Second, there are sourcing concerns. There is no information of note on the "achurchnearyou" web page that has been cited. If it's on several subpages, each needs to be cited appropriately. The same applies to the various holycrossgilling.org pages; the clock facts are not cited, and indeed the bit about the prince is misleading, as the (uncited) Clock page says he helped raise the money, not paid for the whole thing himself as the article says. I noticed a bit of close paraphrasing: "reputed to have discovered the true cross" in the article vs. "reputed to have found the True Cross" on the Situation page. Finally, the hook reads oddly. You might want to consider adding "after the Roman empress" before "who reputedly"; otherwise, the antecedent for "who" is the church itself, not Helena. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll address the rest of the concerns a bit later, but the ACNY does have the information, but in the tabs on the information box, and so does not have a separate URL. ALT1 "... that Holy Cross Church, Gilling, is colloquially known as Saint Helena's, after the Roman Empress who by legend discovered the True Cross?" -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 18:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Since I've been pinged on my talk page, I'm reviewing again, but I have to wonder why: The article still claims to be a stub, and it's 1457 characters, under the 1500 minimum for DYK. The sourcing problems with the second half of the History paragraph remain, and the bit about the prince and the clock has not been corrected. I think this link is a better ACNY choice for directly showing the four parishes in the benefice, though the Holy Cross link now used should be retained as a second source since it mentions Susan Bond. Note that the source giving the villages in the Holy Cross living is the Situation source, not the ACNY source; this needs correcting. On ALT1, I think "is colloquially known as" isn't quite supported by the source, which says "has, in the past". How about something like "was at one time referred to as Saint Helena's after the Roman Empress whom legend says discovered the True Cross"? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have corrected these issues. That hook sounds fine.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 19:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg DYKcheck shows that the article is in the 1600s, nicely above the 1500 character minimum. I've made a few sourcing corrections and reworded the clock sentences, but I'm puzzled at the various discrepancies between the various pages of holycrossgilling.org.uk describing the church dating and the dates in the article. For example, the Nave page mentions 11th century and 1190 AD, both before a 13th century (1200ish) founding, and the chancel dates don't quite mesh in terms of which part of the century is involved. Since this isn't sourced, I can't verify which might be correct. BTW, no need to ping me; this page is on my watchlist. I was waiting for the rest of the concerns to be addressed after last time. I've struck out the previous hook versions, and listed the new ALT below. Since it's my creation, we'll need an independent reviewer for it:
 * ALT2: ... that Holy Cross Church, Gilling, was at one time referred to as Saint Helena's after the Roman Empress whom legend says discovered the True Cross? —BlueMoonset (talk) 20:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I re-read it and I mis-read it first time. There is no definite founding date listed, but the nave is older than the arcade.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 20:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote4.png Need an independent reviewer to approve the ALT2 hook, as I can't do it myself, at which point this will be ready for promotion. DYKcheck gives 1615 prose characters even after latest revisions. I'm happy to trust the English Heritage source for the dating over holycrossgilling.org.uk (which isn't cited there); the differences are small. No need for me to do any further reviewing. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 hook is good and referenced within the article. I agree with the character count, the article is new enough and referenced. Good to go. Zangar (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Oh, I've just noticed that the creator hasn't listed a QPQ review yet - has one been done? Cheers, Zangar (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The QPQ review is listed directly below the first green tick near the top, where it says "I've also made a review". Doesn't say "QPQ", but that's what it is. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for pointing that out - I've filled it in the usual place. The ALT2 hook is good to go. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 11:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)