Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Hinman


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:18, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Ida Hinman

 * ... that The Washington sketch book, guidebook and social life manual, was one of the few Washington, D.C. guidebooks written by a woman, Ida Hinman at the end of the 19th century?  Source: Steinhauer, Jason. "The Indians’ Capital City: Native Histories of Washington, D.C."
 * ALT1: ... that Ida Hinman, author of The Washington sketch book, was a neighbor of Orion Clemens, the first and only Secretary of Nevada Territory and Mark Twain's brother? Source: January 3, 1904. Detroit Free Press from Detroit, Michigan
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Richard Morris

Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 11:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and the image is in the public domain. The article is neutral, though the prose is a bit flowery in places, and I detected no policy issues. QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Neither hook is ready for the main page IMO. The first hook is too repetitive and the second, too name-dropping about everyone but the subject. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: ALT2: ... that The Washington sketch book was one of the few Washington, D.C. guidebooks of the time written by a woman, Ida Hinman? Source: Steinhauer, Jason. "The Indians’ Capital City: Native Histories of Washington, D.C."  I prefer to work on ALT0 and drop ALT1. Elisa.rolle (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I do think the hook needs more work. We try not to promote the same "woman does this first" hook at DYK. I started to review the article for promotion, and toned down some POV. I can't make sense out of this passage:
 * Hinman was a graduate of the Iowa Wesleyan University, Mount Pleasant, B. S., M. S 1876–-77, and early in life she showed a tendency toward literary pursuits. She entered Iowa Wesleyan in 1870, M.S. in 1875. Could you write that more straightforwardly? Does it mean:
 * Early in life Hinman showed a tendency toward literary pursuits. She obtained her B.S. degree (in what?) from Iowa Wesleyan University in ??? and her M.S. in 1875.
 * I also added a "citation needed" tag to the last paragraph. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: the second source for Iowa Wesleyan University was specific from the university, therefore I removed the first part that was generic from the bio-sketch book by Willard. I added the reference to Find A Grave I know is not the best but in some case (lack of other source) is accepted.Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's fine. Now, what about the hook? I daresay that last fact about how her body was identified would draw a lot of clicks. Yoninah (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: ALT2: ... that Ida Hinman, society sketch books author of the end of the 19th century, died in poverty and her body was identified through a membership pin of the Daughters of the American Revolution?
 * Thanks. But a sketch book sounds like an artist's book. Could we identify her this way:
 * ALT2a: ... that Ida Hinman, author of a popular Washington, D.C. guidebook, died alone in poverty and her body was identified through a membership pin of the Daughters of the American Revolution?
 * I think the hook is still a bit wordy, but I can't think of how to shorten it. Yoninah (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * : ALT2b: ... that Ida Hinman (pictured), author of a popular Washington, D.C. guidebook, died in poverty and her body was identified through a membership pin of the Daughters of the American Revolution? (remove alone to make it a little less wordy) Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you happy with the direction of ALT2b? If so, I'll approve it. If not, we can still think of something else. Yoninah (talk) 22:54, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * good for me, as you said, people will be hooked by the "Body to be identified" factor and will learn the other details. BTW she was really side-by-side with the political elite of the 1890s, the fact she died a poor is such a sad thing. Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:56, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK, thanks. ALT2b hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Cwmhiraeth. ALT2b good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)