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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein

 * ... that "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein" is a German Christian commmunion hymn derived from the biblical Nunc dimittis in the 16th century, and expanded in the 19th century? Source:
 * Reviewed: to come Tarraville
 * Comment: for 2 February please, Purification

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC).




 * I don't understand this: "The hymn is the result of the history of Christianity in four stages." What does that mean?


 * Then it says "Firstly, the Gospel of Luke tells the episode of Jesus presented at the temple 40 days after his birth in the ritual of the purification. On that occasion, Simeon praised the light that appeared by the baby. Secondly, Simeon's canticle became a regular part of the Liturgy of the Hours as the Nunc dimittis, especially connected to the feast of the purification" and I feel like if there are four stages, shouldn't there be a thirdly and a fourthly?


 * I don't understand the question, as all four stages are given then:
 * biblical, 1st century
 * Latin, medieval
 * Reformation, 16th century
 * Spitta, 19th century


 * The source has "Vier Etappen, verteilt auf nahezu 2000 Jahre Christentumsgeschichte, haben zu diesem Lied geführt." - Which would be "Four stages/etappes/?, distributed on almost 2000 years of history of Christianity, led to this song." We can't say the same as it would be copyright violation. How would you word it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Re: Feb 2 -- should we put that into the hook? valereee (talk) 14:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. It's for those who know, and the others will not care. We had an edit conflict. I can make thirdly and fourthly. To lazy to reword my response. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay, you'll have to be patient with me, I'm neither religious nor musical. Thank you for editing the article to show me where the third and fourth stages were, I didn't mean you needed to literally put thirdly and fourthly, I just wasn't sure where one stage ended and the next began. So the development of the hymn came in four stages, got it. So there's the original gospel, Latin translation, reformation, and...what would the "spitta" stage be, if you were placing it in that list? Okay, so would it be fair to reword "The hymn is the result of the history of Christianity in four stages" to "The development of the hymn reflects the history of Christianity in four stages"?


 * Re: the hook. So after 300 years a stanza is added that completely changes both the use and the meaning of the hymn? Is that unusual? I'm kind of wondering if that's the hook? valereee (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, nice wording! - I kind of try to have the stages in the hook, summarized 1 + 2 to "biblical Nunc dimittis", then the two other episodes. Only today I found that Spitta made more changes to the older stanzas, so could be "revised and expanded". How about this:
 * ALT1: ... that "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein" is a current German Christian communion hymn, derived from the biblical Nunc dimittis in stages over almost 2000 years?
 * ALT2: ... that "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein" is a current German Christian hymn based on the biblical Nunc dimittis as a communion song of the Reformation, revised in the 19th century?
 * ALT3: ... that "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein" is a current German Christian hymn, a communion song of the Reformation, based on the biblical Nunc dimittis and revised in the 19th century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * ALT4: ... that "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein", a German Christian hymn based on the Nunc dimittis as a communion song of the Reformation, was revised in the 19th century to completely change the meaning?


 * That still is supported by Marti and Liederdatenbank references?


 * Would that work for you? It's just short enough, and I really love the 'completely change the meaning' aspect, I think it makes a very interesting hook for a general audience valereee (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * "to completely change" sounds like he did that on purpose, but ma by my lack of English, and I'm afraid "based on the Nunc dimittis as a communion song of the Reformation" may get us problems at ERRORS. But as you like it, and thanks for all the thinking you put into this! We'll need another reviewer for ALT4.


 * ALT5: ... that when Friedrich Spitta revised "Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein", a 1530 German Lutheran communion hymn based on the biblical Nunc dimittis, he completely changed the meaning? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm happy with ALT5! valereee (talk) 16:37, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I reviewed now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Good to go! I don't know how to move it along for Feb 2, though -- do you know what to do next? valereee (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! You go to where you said "on it", and say that it's approved, and someone please move it to prep 5. It doesn't have to be an admin. Replacing Albert Dohmen, but that's said there already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg, please provide an inline cite for the ALT5 hook fact. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Restoring tick per valereee's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2019 (UTC)