Template:Did you know nominations/Ion Clopoțel


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Ion Clopoțel

 * ... that Transylvanian journalist Ion Clopoțel, imprisoned for his wartime political writings, was released in time to participate in the assembly that ratified his province's union with Romania?


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Created by Biruitorul (talk). Self-nominated at 04:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Article relies only on two sources but, unless I'm mistaken, that isn't grounds for nom-fail. No copyvio that I could detect, article is fully cited, long enough and timely nominated. --Al Ameer (talk) 02:18, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The article doesn't say that the assembly ratified the union with Romania. It says that Clopoțel participated in negotiations for the union of Transylvania with Romania (this fact is not sourced), and that he participated in the assembly (sourced). Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Great National Assembly is defined at Great Union Day. Granted, that's a rather wretched article, but it does spell out what is, in any event, common knowledge for anyone who knows anything about 20th-century Romanian history. Moreover, neither this article nor the hook is about the assembly as such, but about a man who participated there.
 * Yes, his participation in the negotiations in sourced: see the very next footnote. I've since duplicated the footnote at the end of the sentence in which the claim is made, on the off-chance the source was unclear before. - Biruitorul Talk 15:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you see my confusion? The hook says: was released in time to participate in the assembly that ratified his province's union with Romania. The article says: he took part in negotiations for the union of Transylvania with Romania. He also attended the Great National Assembly in Alba Iulia that December 1. The hook wording implies that they ratified the union with Romania at the assembly. The article wording implies that the negotiations and the assembly were on two different occasions. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no particular contradiction in the wording; the December 1 assembly was not a spontaneous event, but was preceded by weeks of preparation and negotiations. (See here for details.) So in the article, the sequence is a) release b) negotiations c) assembly; in the hook, I simply skipped over part b). - Biruitorul Talk 14:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I added that ref to the article. Now the hook and article complement each other. If it looks all right to you, I'll go ahead and pass it now. Yoninah (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. - Biruitorul Talk 16:36, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Great. Foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline; online hook verified and cited inline. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)