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Ira Nadel

 * ... that Ira Nadel, the Canadian literary critic, considers the legend of the Olympic torch relay a total fabrication?
 * Comment: Article expanded at least five-fold; previously BLP unsourced. (Hook not all that pertinent to the article; but true and eye-catching).

Created by Rmnadel18. Expanded by Churn and change. Nominated by Churn and change (talk) at 22:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg First the text. New enough, long enough, neutral, well-sourced (AGF for the dead trees), no copyvio found. A couple of pedantic comments though:
 * It appears from the source that he became associate professor at UBC in 1977, not 1976.
 * The New York Times source requires login.
 * The text "He believes a biography should tell the reader who the subject is" is referenced to Nadel himself. Maybe that should be "He says he believes ..."?
 * Now the hook. The sources say (1) he was “surprised” at the use of 1936 relay footage in a video, and (2) he says the relay was a German invention. It's clear he's sceptical about it, but I can't see how that extends to actually opposing the modern relay. Maybe the hook could be reworded?
 * Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 15:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the review.
 * I fixed the year.
 * See Talk:Ira_Nadel for the relevant parts of the NY Times articles. Note that creating an account on NY Times is free and trivial, and they are a strong secondary source.
 * Changed the wording to "As per Nadel, a biography should tell the reader who the subject is . . ."
 * Will edit the hook to say "Nadel considers the legend of the spirit of the Olympic torch relay a total fabrication" His exact words as quoted in the sources are: "The Olympic torch relay is a total fabrication". That doesn't technically make literal semantic sense, and he seems to be stating "The [legend/story/myth of the spirit of] the Olympic torch relay is a total fabrication"
 * Also, as to the AGF on print books, I have added Google Books URLs. I am not quite sure how stable those URLs are, however. Churn and change (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Nice work. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I'm concerned that the reference citation used to support this hook isn't a reliable source. It's a 2011 blog re-posting of a 2009 article in a newspaper, and the Wikipedia citation doesn't mention the original publication location or date. We can't use blogs to support DYK hooks. --Orlady (talk) 03:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed reference to point to the original source&mdash;The Globe and Mail. Churn and change (talk) 05:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg All fixed. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg All fixed. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)