Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Elizabeth Waterston


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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Jane Elizabeth Waterston

 * ... that the other missionaries accused Jane Elizabeth Waterston of coming to Livingstonia to find a husband?


 * ALT1:... that Jane Elizabeth Waterston was the first woman doctor in Southern Africa?
 * Reviewed: QPQ = 1 of 3 Snowy Continga

Created by Victuallers (talk) and Waynejayes (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 10:00, 11 September 2015 (UTC).
 * Review: The article is certainly of appropriate length, was created within the given period of time, and is otherwise compliant with what is needed for a DYK.  The part about husband-seeking is cited; the part about being the first female doctor in South Africa needs to be expressed a little more clearly in the prose section.  However, the hooks need some work; particularly that they don't say enough about the subject at hand.  For example, don't say "the other missionaries", say "other missionaries in Livingstonia" or "other ADJECTIVE missionaries in Livingstonia".  On the alt hook, I'd link South Africa and add more detail about the subject, like "Scottish-born".  BTW, the article got me wondering...what denomination of missionary are we talking about here?  Missionaries are generally sent by Christian or Catholic denominations, yet nothing about Waterston's persuasion is stated in the article.  Therefore, I'm going to give this a Symbol possible vote.svg On the right track, but needs a little more work  p  b  p  03:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , good point. If the Ross source (that Academia article) is to be believed, she joined the Free Church of Scotland (1843–1900), and the same church ran the Lovedale institution (where I also found no mention of denomination). I made a copy edit or two, but there's more work to be done in that regard as well. BTW, I like both remaining hooks. User:Mary Mark Ockerbloom, I added dates to your hook, which I think I like a little better than the first one. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT2 : ... that missionary and doctor Jane Elizabeth Waterston (1843-1932) was given the South African name of Noqataka, "the mother of activity"? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:07, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

:* ALT4: ... that male missionaries in Livingstonia said that Jane Elizabeth Waterston (1843-1932) had come to Africa to find a husband?
 * Thanks for the review and thanks to and  for the help. Sorry for large delay I have been mostly offline for three weeks. I have added Free Church - nice addition MMO (the Free church ran both outfits) - and for alt2. I have added ALT3 as per  suggested(?) alt but I think it looks a bit odd so I have created ALT4. I'm not sure why the "other missionaries" needs an extra adjective. I have added first women doctor in Southern Africa with a ref. which is a larger claim to a record. Can I suggest that you create an alt? I find the idea of adding "Scottish born" to the hook to be unhooky, but you are free to create an alt and see if others prefer this approach. Do feel free to change the hooks. Thanks again Victuallers (talk) 08:07, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ada Lovelace Day is October 13th and this one might be relevant. Please consider helping move articles Victuallers (talk) 23:32, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg I made a few minor edits and added dates to the hook. I checked off ALT4 cause it's perhaps the most eye-catching BUT, dear DYK volunteer, let's not send this on until we hear from because I kind of have a problem with what I just did: the hook plays on the sexist prejudice exhibited by the "male missionaries", whereas Mary's hook plays on Waterston's "own" quality and strength. OK, I convinced myself I was wrong. Mary, I'm going with your hook, ALT2. "Mother of activity" is not as enticing, maybe, as the other hooks, but it does her character justice, I think. Please feel free to chime in. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)