Template:Did you know nominations/Jenny Twitchell Kempton


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Jenny Twitchell Kempton

 * ... that contralto Jenny Twitchell Kempton was the first American to perform Rossini's Stabat Mater—‌under the direction of the composer?
 * Reviewed: Elise Otté
 * Comment: She died on 13 March.

Created by JonesSF (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 09:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article was 6 days old when nominated. 5663 char. All sources save 2 are offline and must be AGF. Article appears to be neutrally written. Photo was marked for deletion, but seems to fit copyright exceptions cited. Photo must be cleared from "marked for deletion as copyvio". Two in-line citations needed, as indicated. SusunW (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the review! I had hoped that the author would fix the citations, but they have not edited the last few days. I found one needed, about the daughter, could not find an online ref and simply commented it out. The daughter's engagement, actually all about her, seems not vital to the article. The photo has been removed, sadly. Anything else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Author of the article here. I am new, so I do not know how to fight against the deletion of the picture. It is a picture in my possession and is clear of any copyright issues.  I explained this to the editor that marked for deletion and got backup to my position from another editor.  How do I reinstate the picture?   On the issue of the citation for the daughter, it comes from a personal letter in my possession so I have not yet found a public source to cite.  OK to delete comments on the daughter, it is not specifically relevant, just that she has the same name as her mother so I was trying to clear any confusion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonesSF (talk • contribs) 19:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We can run the DYK without the photo, but I'd like to get the photo restored for the article. I gave you the template to use on the talk page of the article. I think if you reload it according to those instructions, it will not be deleted, as it appears to meet public domain. SusunW (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg I, like you, was hoping that the photo would be reloaded with the instructions I found, as it clearly seems to be in the public domain. But, in any case, the citations are cleared. Hook is AGF. Good to go. SusunW (talk) 22:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg source does not support article and hook claim the Kempton was the first American to perform Rossini's Stabat Mater. Instead the source indicated Kempton was the first American to perform Mendelssohn's Elijah and in a different sentence mentions her performing Stabat Mater with Rosini directing.  Hook and article either need to be corrected to match information in cited source or else a new source supporting the article's claims needs to be added. --Allen3 talk 22:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * To my understanding, the source for the Rossini is offline, but if you prefer:
 * ALT1: ... that contralto Jenny Twitchell Kempton sang in the first performances of Mendelssohn's oratorios Elijah and St. Paul in Boston? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The edition of Musical America cited is from 1921, placing it into the public domain in the United States, and it took me less than 30 seconds to find an online copy. I included a link to a copy on Google books in my prior comment, but that may or may not work depending on where you live.  Do you have a source supporting her performing St. Paul?  The New York Tribune article cited earlier in the article sentence makes no mention of that performance. --Allen3 talk 22:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can access but cannot read the link you provided and can find no accessible link here.SusunW (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * ALT2: ... that contralto Jenny Twitchell Kempton sang in the first performance of Mendelssohn's oratorio Elijah in Boston? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT2 is supported by the cited sources. --Allen3 talk 13:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Can we reinsert the photo in the DKY nomination? It has been successfully re-added under public domain. SusunW (talk) 13:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)