Template:Did you know nominations/Johannes Østrup


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Johannes Østrup

 * ... that in 1893 Johannes Østrup (pictured) rode from Istanbul to Copenhagen on horseback, covering some 4500 km?
 * ALT1:... that while on a official visit to Heidelberg in 1936, Johannes Østrup (pictured) refused to give the Nazi salute and avoided speaking German to his hosts?

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Skr15081997 (talk) at 10:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC).


 * Thanks for nomming. I prefer the original hook rather than ALT1.--Ipigott (talk) 10:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Nominated by other person so QPQ not needed. Article is new and long enough, interesting and I agree that the first hook is the most interesting. I think the source for the distance may not be totally reliable (link), so I would prefer a shorter hook stopping after "to Copenhagen on horseback" and source it to DBL. Article is inline-cited to mostly valid sources. To be nitpicky, there is some close paraphrasing issues: For instance the sentence "The trips represented an important stage in his development, not only as he was able to assimilate modern Turkish language and the Arabic dialects of Egypt and Syria but above all because he became fully adapted to the Middle Eastern way of life, showing special interest in local customs and traditions rather than just in language" is very close to the source (DBL). Likewise the mention of his books closely resembembles DSD. The Heidelberg Visit paragraph is sourced to Uriasposten which is a quite controversial blog; and even though the content included here appears non-controversial, I would like Ipigott to give his thoughts on Uriasposten as a source. Photos appear to have valid licences. Iselilja (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Iselilja. Glad to see you decided to comment on this article, given your own knowledge of Danish. A few points here though. I have read much of Østrup's Erindringer and the article is actually based on the book rather than on the Long Riders' Guild. I simply included that as a source for English-language readers. I have now returned the book to the owner but if I remember correctly, Østrup describes his 60-day journey from Istanbul to Copenhagen via Bulgaria, Serbia, Austria and Germany in some detail and also refers to his 45-day journey on horseback in the Middle East before arriving in Istanbul. But you are right to question the distance from Istanbul to Copenhagen which appears to be closer to 2,500 km. As for the passage which you think closely resembles the DBL account, I believe the original Dansk Bibliografisk Leksikon article is in the public domain (the Gyldendal version is just a slightly edited copy). I added the details you mention as they are certainly factually correct. Do you really think it is necessary to paraphrase them even further? Many of the Danish-language biographies in Wikipedia actually reproduce text verbatim from the DBL. As for the Heidelberg passage, Østrup covers his visit to Heidelberg in some detail towards the end of his Erindringer. I have now given that as the reference. Anyway, on the basis of your own suggestion, I would certainly agree to a new hook as follows:


 * ALT2 ... that in 1893 Johannes Østrup (pictured) rode from Istanbul to Copenhagen on horseback, a journey which took him 60 days to complete? --Ipigott (talk) 13:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello U|Igipott It seems to me like DBL is still under copyright. I clicked on a link in a column to the right of the article and got this. The reason I quibble with this is not my personal concerns (I know how Norwegian journalists "steal as ravens" and I don't think the people behind DBS have any problems with your use of it); but the policy for Wikipedia/DYK is pretty strict if fully followed (I know outside DYK, GAs people in practice apply the rules more leniently). As for the hook, I thought the last part of the sentence made the question mark a bit odd. I propose
 * ALT3 ... that in 1893 Johannes Østrup (pictured) rode on horseback for 60 days from Istanbul to Copenhagen?
 * Iselilja (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Fully agree with ALT3. Much better formulation.--Ipigott (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT3. I had some concern regarding close paraphrasing of Danish Biographical Dictionary where the latest, online version is copyrighted, but Ipigott explains that there exists a practical identical older version which is out of copyright. So, I am assuming good faith and approving the article (Second edition of the dictionary was published 1933-1944). Iselilja (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC)