Template:Did you know nominations/Johannes Martin Kränzle


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Johannes Martin Kränzle

 * ... that Johannes Martin Kränzle, singer of the year 2011 for his creation of N, made his debut at the Bayreuth Festival in 2017 as Beckmesser, staged by the festival's first Jewish director? Source:
 * Reviewed: Comoros blue pigeon
 * Comment: I didn't know what to say, - so much, 120 parts, comeback after bone marrow transplant, the interpretation of Wagner's antisemitism on stage (look at pic in the source)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg It all checks out, long enough, no copyvio, new enough, but I'm not sure about the "singer of the year 2011" in there. Reading the article, it's a "Singer of the Year" award from one magazine.  Is there something else we could say rather to either clarify that, or something different? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I linked the magazine, and added for what. I translated Sänger des Jahres, don't think we can capitilize the translation, but well, the source did. Phrase differently? Expand the Opernwelt article, and make a redirect? It's called the Oscar of opera, which baritones rarely get, and made his career much more international. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If indeed it's considered "the Oscar of opera" then I would imagine it should have its own article. What about knocking up that and then linking it to "Singer of the Year" in the hook? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Opera house of the year is within the magazine article, the other could be the same, and very similar, if not the same but for the (so far missing) list of recipients. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, similar could be done. Even if you're lacking a list of names, a subsection with the title of the award and maybe a cited claim that it's equivalent to an Oscar to give it that gravitas. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * this search tells me that notable papers report the awards. I forgot where I read Oscar, in one of the Kränzle refs. I listed the categories that I found. That's what can I do at the moment. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What about "... Opernwelt Singer of the Year in 2011... "? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess I'd rather drop it completely than giving attention to the magazine even before saying what's great about the singer. If you look at some of the headlines: they don't mention the magazine. Writing about the Oscar, you don't add who gives it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Then maybe drop "singer of the year 2011 for his creation of N," altogether and go for the recovery from MDS? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that baritone Johannes Martin Kränzle, who was diagnosed with MDS in 2015, made his debut at the Bayreuth Festival in 2017 as Beckmesser, staged by the festival's first Jewish director? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's better, but maybe it would be even better to note that he recovered from his MDS diagnosis in 2015 to debut at Bayreuth two years later. What strikes me a little here is that this hook is constructed around the round target, because the interesting bit is the first Jewish director, for me at least.... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Same for me, the interesting bit I mean, - I can't expand Kosky 5*, - saw Orpheus, and it was sheer delight. He was director of the year in 2016, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:32, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I did not. But to the hook, I would go with a version of ALT1 in which you mention that he recovered from MDS rather than he was diagnosed with it... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that after baritone Johannes Martin Kränzle recovered from MDS, he made his debut at the Bayreuth Festival in 2017 as Beckmesser, staged by the festival's first Jewish director? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Could you ensure the "first Jewish director" ref is copied across from Kosky's article to here so we are belt and braces? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I added the line and the ref, headline of the source under the original hook, "Barrie Koskys "Meistersinger" Der erste jüdische Regisseur begeistert in Bayreuth" translating to "Barrie Koskys "Meistersinger" The first Jewish stage director thrilled in Bayreuth". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Just one [citation needed] now (and the best news is that once this is promoted, I won't be looking at it moments before it gets on the main page!). The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg good to go. Nice work . The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2017 (UTC)