Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Poole


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Jordan Poole

 * ... that Jordan Poole made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that is similar to his 2017 Dick's National High School Championship game buzzer beater?
 * ALT1: ... that Jordan Poole scored a team-high and career-high 19 points in his Big Ten Conference debut in the 2017–18 Big Ten season opener and made 9 of 12 three point shots to end the regular season?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC).


 * Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Stephen J. Herben Jr. 1 of 4 QPQs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * P.S. since I hope to run this during the final four, I propose an April Fools Day version as ALT2... that when Jordan Poole made a his game-winning three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament it wasn't his first Poole Party? -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT3 ... that there was a Poole Party at the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament? -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This is a time sensitive hook, since ALT2 is geared for April Fools Day.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This was sitting at T:TDYK. I did not know I had to post it here as well.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament is considered to be a subject of widespread appeal and interest to main page readers per In_the_news.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * By my count, the 2018 tournament article says that the semis are on the 31st and the finals are on the 2nd so it doesn't actually need to be on the 1st if you're looking for it to coincide with either? Are you aiming for the semis or the final.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 17:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The semis start at 22:09 March 31 UTC and run for about 5 hours. Then they are in the news cycle on the April 1 for most of the day. They are far more relevant to April 1 than March 31. I am aiming first for this one on April Fools. However, if we are overloaded, it could go to March 31. Admittedly Poole's game is the first semi, which will probably run from about 22:09 March 31 UTC to about 00:15 April 1, UTC, but if he is involved in any gamewinning heroics again, it will be on April 1 UTC. It is intriguing either way, but I have had only one April Fools DYK hook in my career (2014). I have hundreds (probably closing in on 900, but I have not updated WP:DYKLIST in a while) of DYKs and this is about as good a chance as I will have for another rare April Fools nom. I have Template:Did you know nominations/Zavier Simpson aiming for the finals, which starts at 0:20 April 3 UTC.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Here's a review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is freely licensed. QPQ done.
 * Regarding the hooks:
 * ALT0: hook ref verified and cited inline. But this hook is too long and has too much information in it. Perhaps the second event needn't be named.
 * ALT1: I see the hook ref for the career-high part, but where's the team-high source? Otherwise I like this hook the best.
 * ALT2 and ALT3: I don't get it. Poole Party redirects to Buzzer beater, and there is no mention of a pool party in the latter article. People who know nothing about basketball (like me) won't understand this, much less laugh at it. Yoninah (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , did you comingle your commentary on ALT2 and ALT3. The comments only seem relevant to ALT2. Can you clarify your thoughts on ALT3. (ALT0 and ALT1 would not be for AFDAY).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. The term "Poole Party" is incomprehensible to most readers. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , The Jordan Poole article has two references that use the term in their headline titles and I could dig up more. Do I need to use the term in the article? Or are you saying that the term "Poole party" is so drastically different than the term "Pool party" that no reader could comprehend a joke about the former? Or are you saying that people would even be dumbfounded by the term pool party?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , I just added a Reuters ref that also uses the term. I can add more if you like.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Since so many media sources use the term Poole Party! to describe the shot, maybe I should add Jordan Poole to Pool party (disambiguation).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Whereas sources like Reuters uses the term in the title (as an obvious joke) The New York Times uses the term in the text of the article about the game.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * , P.S. it seems to me that all uses of the term Poole Party in the press, including The New York Times and Reuters use the term as a play on words or joke. Do we think our readers are less capable of understanding plays on words than those of The New York Times and Reuters?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:34, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I can't find that many more uses of the term. Here are a few others University of Michigan's Facebook and the Athletic.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:44, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I just think it's a terribly unfunny pun, and only understandable to die-hard basketball fans. --Slashme (talk) 08:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * for clarity, I have withdrawn ALT2 which is a basketball related pun, and restricted the AFDay nomination to the ALT3 hook which is simply a pun ("Poole Party" vs. Pool party (disambiguation)), which editors at The New York Times, Detroit Free Press, University of Michigan and Reuters, among others, all consider funny for their readers. ALT3 has nothing to do with basketball. It is simply a use of the same pun that seems to be viewed as funny among a broad spectrum of media outlets. Since WP is a tertiary resource, we should probably present the same pun as funny to our readers as is funny to the broad spectrum of media outlets.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article to add clarity to the use of the term.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * and Come on!! We have a pun ("Poole Party" vs. Pool party) that the professional editors at Detroit Free Press, University of Michigan and Reuters all consider so funny/attention grabbing that they used it in a headline and that the The New York Times considered funny enough to use as the final punchline to a story. The response to the suggestion to use it on WP is that it is not a good enough pun for you or our readers. Do we have that funny a set of editors that they can come up with a whole slate of jokes funnier than high-level reliable sources use as their headlines and punchlines. Maybe all these great editors should be working for The New York Times and Reuters. You are making no sense.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: TonyTheTiger, I strongly recommend that this attempt at an April Fools' hook be dropped, and a hook proposed so that it can run immediately after April 1 while the tournament is still running. Two reviewers have indicated that the Poole party joke doesn't work well for AFD, though you seem to think it should, and this nomination will almost certainly sit here unapproved unless you move on. It's up to you. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have non-AFD hooks above, but I find it unfathomable that they were even reviewing the right hook. ALT3 is simple and structured just about the same way it is used to grab the readers attention in the Reuters headline as a pun. Obviously even people who don't know much about basketball understand that they don't have swimming pools at basketball games, which makes the pun funny and attention grabbing according to widespread editorial opinion that we respect here at WP. That is what AFDay hooks are all about. The Poole Party is people celebrating a game-winning shot in a basketball game by Jordan Poole and not a party at a swimming pool. A very broad spectrum of editors consider this to be funny and attention grabbing pun suitable as a headline. In addition, The New York Times feels its readers will find it funny at the end of a story as a punchline. We are not talking about special interest groups of audiences. We are talking about Reuters and The New York Times editors using it for their very mainstream viewership. This hook would find an audience on DYK if it is that mainstream.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The articles you're citing as evidence for the hilarity of this joke are all articles about basketball. If you don't care about basketball, the claim that there was a pool party at a basketball tournament is neither surprising nor interesting, especially if you've never heard of a basketball player called Poole. I read that and my reaction wasn't "WTF?" or a sharp exhalation of mirth, like a good April Fool's DYK would provoke. It was "huh? what does that even mean?" and then, after clicking on the links and finding out what it meant, my reaction was "Well that was 30 seconds I'm never getting back." --Slashme (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why every reviewer is disinterested in basketball and NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament is considered to be a subject of widespread appeal and interest to main page readers per In_the_news. I don't know if this changes the expectations when you click through, but here is a minor change.
 * ALT4 ... that there was a Poole Party at the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament?
 * has expressed my opinion exactly. People who are not interested in basketball will not know what ALT2 or ALT3 or ALT4 is talking about. If you would like this added to Prep 6 for April 2, could you answer my questions on ALT0 and ALT1? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * ALT5 ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that is similar to his 2017 Dick's National High School Championship game shot? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT6 ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that is similar to a 2017 Dick's National High School Championship game shot? (slightly shorter)--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT7 ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that is similar to a prior buzzer beater? -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT8 ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that is similar to one of his prior buzzer beaters? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Now, a date request for the April 3 UTC queue.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:39, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The hook fact is verified and cited inline. However, I would use the language in the article, "nearly identical" to add a little more interest to the hook:
 * ALT9: ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that was nearly identical to his 2017 Dick's National High School Championship game shot?
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT9 good to go for April 3. Yoninah (talk) 16:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * , Can we swap this in for a belated date request so that it is running during the 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)