Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph O'Dwyer


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The result was: promoted by ~ RobTalk 12:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Joseph O'Dwyer

 * ... that Joseph O'Dwyer, a physician at the New York Foundling Hospital, invented a method for intubation that greatly reduced deaths caused by diphtheria, especially in children?


 * ALT1: ... that the Fell-O'Dwyer method was a significant contribution to the medical specialties of Anesthesiology and Critical Care?
 * Reviewed: Jenny Lind private railroad car (donated by — Maile (talk) 23:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC))

5x expanded by Mannanan51 (talk). Self nominated at 21:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced. QPQ donated. There is no need for the citation in the lead, as it is a non-controversial fact. Please move the cite into the body of the article. The first hook is hookier. Although there is an inline cite for the hook fact up through the word "diptheria", there is no inline cite for the "especially in children".


 * The main problem for this DYK nomination is extensive close paraphrasing with the Catholic Encyclopedia source, both in using the same words and phrases, and following the sentence-by-sentence structure:
 * Source: He was educated in the public schools of London, Ontario
 * Article: was educated in the public schools of London, Ontario
 * Source: After two years of apprenticeship he entered the College of Physicians (New York) from which he was graduated in 1865. He won first place in the competitive examination for resident physicians of the Charity, now the City, Hospital of New York City on Blackwell's Island. Twice during his service he contracted cholera. After the completion of his service he took up private practice. Four years later (1872) he was appointed to the staff of the New York Foundling Asylum.
 * Article: After two years of apprenticeship in the office of one Dr. Anderson, he entered the College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York from which he was graduated in 1865. He won first place in the competitive examination for resident physicians of Charity Hospital of New York City and during a cholera epidemic was in charge of the medical service on Blackwell's Island. Typhus broke out, which he contracted, but made a full recovery. After the completion of his service, in 1868 he took up private practice on Second Avenue near Fifty-fifth St. Four years later (1872) he move to Lexington Avenue near Sixty-sixth St. and began his long association with the New York Foundling Asylum.
 * (By the way, typhus is not cholera.)
 * Source: he tried to find something to keep the larynx open. He used a wire spring and experimented with a small bivalve speculum but to no purpose. The inflamed mucous membrane and false membrane forced themselves into the interstices and the difficulty of breathing returned. Besides, the pressure produced ulceration. Finally he tried a tube. The use of a tube for intubation had often been attempted but unsuccessfully. O'Dwyer succeeded in devising the form of tube that would remain and then ingeniously fashioned instruments for the placing and displacing of the tube.
 * Article: caused O'Dwyer to try to find a way to keep the larynx open. ... He used a wire spring and experimented with a small bivalve speculum but to no purpose. Later he found that the inflamed mucous membrane and false membrane forced themselves into the interstices and the difficulty of breathing returned. Finally he tried a tube. The use of a tube for intubation had often been attempted but unsuccessfully. Working with surgeon George Fell, O'Dwyer succeeded in devising the form of tube that would remain and then ingeniously fashioned instruments for the placing and displacing of the tube.
 * Source: Most of his medical colleagues were sure that O'Dwyer's scheme was visionary. Before his death it was universally acknowledged that he had made the most important practical discovery of his generation. His tubes and the accompanying instruments for intubation and extubation, with his methods for the care of these patients, have since come to be employed everywhere throughout the medical world.
 * Article: Most of his medical colleagues were sure that O'Dwyer's scheme was visionary. Before his death it was universally acknowledged that he had made the most important practical discovery of his generation. His tubes and the accompanying instruments for intubation and extubation, with his methods for the care of these patients, came to be employed throughout the medical world
 * Source: The tubes are also of great value in stenosis of the larynx due to various other diseases, such as syphilis, and to strictures of the larynx, especially consequent on burns or scalds.
 * Article: The tubes proved of great value in stenosis of the larynx due to various other diseases and to strictures of the larynx, especially consequent on burns or scalds.


 * Yoninah (talk) 23:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am aware that typhus is not cholera. The breakout of typhus followed the cholera epidemic, not surprising at a facility treating primarily the city's poor and criminals. It was my impression that CE was public domain and therefore no longer under copyright. If that is a significant problem it apparently affects approximately 12,502 other articles. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected: The Catholic Encyclopedia is indeed public domain. Although you removed the citation from the first sentence in the lead, as that information is discussed later, there does need to be a cite after the quote in the last sentence, which is not discussed later. I also don't see the "especially in children" part mentioned or cited in the article. Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If public domain material is incorporated, the article needs to include the template that says just that. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Mannanan51 (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * thank you for taking care of the cites and the public domain notice. The first hook has offline refs accepted in good faith and cited inline. My only question is, with the new information you added, if you would like to go for a hookier hook?
 * ALT2: ... that Joseph O'Dwyer was universally acknowledged as making the most important practical discovery of his generation? Yoninah (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

While perfectly true, it doesn't mention what that discovery was, which is either a little vague or an incentive for someone to go to the page and find out ---but I suspect most readers would probably be too lazy. Mannanan51 (talk) 18:45, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg It's your call. First hook is good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your work on this. Mannanan51 (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)