Template:Did you know nominations/Juanita Musson


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Juanita Musson

 * ... that Juanita Musson was a flamboyant, rambunctious restaurateur in Northern California who established a series of restaurants named "Juanita's Galley"?


 * Reviewed: Anders Planman

Created by Anna Frodesiak (talk). Nominated by Northamerica1000 (talk) at 08:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC).


 * I'm not sure we can say someone's "flamboyant, rambunctious" in WP's voice. Get some distance by putting such a description in quotes. (I'd do it myself but I'm too lazy to see sources' exact words.)  E Eng  06:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I've been revamping this article. And it's going to be a while, because this is tedious. First of all, I'm not sure "series of restaurants" is correct. It's the same restaurant. She just kept running into difficulty and re-opening the same business at a new address. Also, I'm not running into much about her personality, although some mention it in passing. I've only gotten as far as the Sausalito locations. But if you look at it so far, the article is ripe with hook possibilities. For instance, that 40-person brawl where patrons were trying to kill each other, one person hit in the head with an axe, multiple arrests, a resulting lawsuit. Also, where I picked it up, there was this sentence "Musson was well known for not giving money matters a great deal of attention" - you think? She didn't pay employment taxes, didn't bother to make rent payments (and got evicted). I'm not sure if I'll make it all the way through to the end. But this hook should probably be put on hold for a while. The article is a work in progress. — Maile (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, the brawl seems more than promising. Ping me when you're done with the article and I'll see if I can work in some tasteless sexual innuendo as well.  E Eng  15:40, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * OK. Well, at least you have inspired me to keep going with this.  I've been at the point where I can't believe this woman was allowed to operate a restaurant.  I don't find sexual, either innuendo or otherwise.  It's more biker gang bar flavor.  So far, the sources I pull up are all the same newspaper, so that might have a lot to do with it.  — Maile  (talk) 15:47, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep up the good work. One of the references purports to use the word factious and if that's really true there's probably a good hook in there too. But I suggest you double-check.  E Eng  16:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops! That's "fictitious".  — Maile  (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Disappointing.  E Eng  17:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've done what I can source, which is mostly the restaurants she owned in chron order. Go for it.  I still say the best hook would come from that biker's brawl.  At least as far as hooking the reader. If you don't have access at Newspaperarchives.com and need more details, ask me.  So, the recap of the 1963 fight, it was probably racially tinged, but the article doesn't say so. That year was a peak year in civil rights.  The article explains that "...the Presidents, a San Francisco motorcycle club" were having a party at the club just before midnight.  A black man walked up and threw coffee on one of the bikers.  A fight ensued, and somebody temporarily broke it up.  The law enforcement arrived, and "a group of about 10 Negroes" standing around armed with weapons were asked to leave.  And then all hell broke loose between the black group and the bikers. I'm not sure who would be interested that Musson was a bit careless about paying taxes and following sanitation ordinances. I could be wrong about this, but just because she mistreated some people and had a tendency to get into fights, is somewhat of a "so what?"— Maile  (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT1 ... that Juanita's Galley was noted for a "fabulous" breakfast, potluck, the proprietor's "unpredictable disposition", and a 40-person brawl featuring car jacks, pipes, steel bars, a fishbowl and an ax? Source: "Noted for fabulous breakfast, potluck and the unpredictable disposition of its proprietor, Juanita Musson..."; "about 10 Negroes... were standing in a cirle, armed with car jacks, pipes, bars of steel, and other weapons... 'Then I saw this one guy coming down the aisle, swinging that ax'... 'This girl--I guess she was his girl friend--hit me with a fishbowl. -  E  Eng  22:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT2 ... that restaurateur Juanita Musson was sued for $250,000 by a motorcycle club member who had been hit in the head with an ax during a fight in her restaurant? — Maile (talk) 23:08, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Source:The San Matean, Peter Page, 36, of 1309 Pershing Avenue, has sued her for $250,000 claiming he was rendered 'sick, sore and disabled' at a brawl at the restaurant last March 16. Page said he is unable to work because of head injuries from a blow by an ax swung by a Marin City youth.


 * You're not seriously putting your lawsuit up against my fishbowl, are you?  E Eng  23:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Whatever works. — Maile (talk) 23:23, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 *  E Eng  23:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, your hook would make a good slapstick scene in a movie. Man walks into a bar, and... — Maile (talk) 23:30, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Phineas Gage runs into a bar...  E Eng  23:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. How would you like to pick up a very easy QPQ credit? Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Get_Out_and_Push_Railroad  E Eng  03:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Needs complete review. — Maile (talk) 12:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough (1 day old) of adequate size, thoroughly referenced. It is neutral despite such a dramatic topic. No copyright violation detected. QPQ was performed. Hook alt1 is too long at 200 characters. But a variation on it would be possible. ALT2 is in the article. Referenced and confirmed.  Good to go with ALT2, but perhaps another fishbowl hook could be presented. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT1 is now slightly adjusted so it's only 198 characters. — Maile  (talk) 13:58, 30 October 2016 (UTC)