Template:Did you know nominations/Kate Brousseau


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:51, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Kate Brousseau

 * ... that Kate Brousseau, chair of the Psychology Department at Mills College, was valedictorian of the first class graduating from University of California, Los Angeles, in 1884? Source: Anderson, Keith (2015). The Los Angeles State Normal School, UCLA's Forgotten Past: 1881-1919. Lulu.com. p. 79
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Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Hello Ms. Rolle, thanks for contributing this interesting biography. The article is ready to go but I want to make some minor suggestions and propose some alternative hooks. Page created in full on 16 August 2017; comes in at 4097 characters. References are good. QPQ is done. Other comments:
 * The unreferenced text on Mongolian imbecility leaves the reader wondering. Wikilinking Mongolian idiocy might be enough to satisfy someone looking for more information. The phrase "replaced by a more scientific term" raises questions: how does one judge the scientificness of a term as opposed to a concept? how does one replace a term? what was the replacement term? — all of which may have good answers (the page linked above has a little story) but right now it seems to be left hanging.
 * In the long run it would be good to have more information on her work and the significance of it; in the meantime consider linking L'éducation des nègres aux États-Unis and other works if they're available online.
 * Item for possible future research: Brousseau 1937, " Psychological service at the Los Angeles Institute of Family Relations.": "The Institute considers its "premarital service" to be the most constructive work it does." Judging from the page on Paul Popenoe it seems likely that the institute clinicians may have been among the first marriage counselors.
 * The blog post from de Vere is not the best-quality source but I see you have provided secondary references for the key facts so I don't see anything wrong with leaving it in.
 * I'm a little reluctant to promote a hook sourced only to a self-published book. How about these alternatives:
 * ALT1 ... that American psychologist Kate Brousseau served in the French Army during World War I?
 * ALT2 ... that Kate Brousseau wrote her 1904 Ph.D. dissertation in French on the education of Black Americans?
 * ALT3 ... that Kate Brousseau wrote an influential monograph on Mongolian imbecility?
 * Or perhaps you would prefer something else; what do you think? Cheers, groupuscule (talk) 22:19, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg groupuscule: ALT4 ... that Kate Brousseau, valedictorian of the first class graduating from University of California, Los Angeles, wrote an influential monograph on Mongolian idiocy? and I addressed some of the above point in the article Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think your changes are good, but I'm still not sure about claim that Brousseau was first valedictorian of UCLA. Leaving aside the fact that it wasn't called UCLA at the time, the only source for this point is a self-published book by Keith Anderson. Now, from context, perhaps his source is the 1915 Exponent, which refers to Brousseau as class of 1884 on page 52. But it doesn't say she was valedictorian. I don't have access to Anderson's footnotes—maybe you do—do you have an idea of where to find a source which confirms she was valedictorian? groupuscule (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg groupuscule: ALT5 ... that Kate Brousseau, among the alumni of the first class graduating from University of California, Los Angeles, wrote an influential monograph on Mongolian idiocy? I think is better to struck the valedictioran. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:31, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT 5.5 ... that Kate Brousseau, a member of the first class to graduate from from University of California, Los Angeles, wrote an influential monograph on Mongolian imbecility?
 * ^ A small modification; how does that look? groupuscule (talk) 11:23, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * groupuscule: Good for me Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK then, we have agreed on ALT5.5. Thanks again for writing this article. groupuscule (talk) 16:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)