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Kemna concentration camp

 * ... that the Kemna concentration camp memorial (pictured) was not permitted to be installed at the site of the former concentration camp?
 * ALT1: ... that Kemna concentration camp was one of the first Nazi concentration camps and existed for only six months?
 * Reviewed: Old Jewish cemetery, Cieszyn
 * Comment: I won't be able to review an article until tomorrow (Jan. 9). I will probably also be writing additional hooks to pick from.

Created/expanded by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added a new main hook because it dawned on me the photo related to the monument and not the camp itself. Review and possibly more hooks to come. Marrante (talk) 08:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Well sourced, profound article. Waiting for a review and other hooks. ALT1 is too harmless. So is the phrase "There were no Jews there" in the article. I hope for something on the treatment of those who WERE there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a review on Jan 9 (when I crossed out the mention of having to do it). I have another source to look through -- a doctoral dissertation -- and I will try to come up with some more hooks in the next few days. Thank you for the compliments on the article. I was rather amazed at the story, myself, having never heard of this place before. I think the "no Jews" detail is important, since most people immediately associate concentration camps with Jews, but the first ones rounded up were the communists and the socialists (and other opponents, such as the Confessing Church people and unionists). Marrante (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked ALT1, removing the "no Jewish prisoners" bit because I found a source that refers to at least one, although he was there not because he was Jewish, but because he was a political opponent. So, the thought was more or less correct, in terms of the justification for the arrest, it just happened not to be completely accurate in terms of statistical fact. I'm still ruminating over the additional hook/s. I should be ready on Saturday. Marrante (talk) 01:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Still ruminating here. I'm trying to figure out a way to encapsulate the whole place, which is not easy to do with such a complicated story. Sunday will be pretty busy, so I am aiming more for Monday. Marrante (talk) 23:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Take your time. I like to see it grow. Get the people kept there to the lede and perhaps to a hook, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you've been watching the progress. I am trying to wrap this up, but there is still more I want to mention. I am working on the legal section now, trying to expand the 1948 trial. I have little or nothing about the physical aspect of the camp (the windows were painted inside and out and other details) or the staff - but I will have to let some of that go for now, I think. I did re-do the lede pretty significantly, which I imagine you've seen. Here are a couple of hooks in the meantime.


 * ALT2: ... that torture at Kemna concentration camp (memorial pictured), one of the first Nazi concentration camps, was so brutal, even the Nazis held hearings on it?
 * ALT3: ... that in 1934, the Kemna concentration camp (memorial pictured) deputy commandant told a state's attorney that prisoners in protective custody were beaten mostly in interrogations and it was their own fault?
 * ALT4: ... that prisoners at Kemna concentration camp (memorial pictured), one of the first Nazi concentration camps, were given a "welcome beating" on arrival and made to run a gauntlet when leaving?
 * — Marrante (talk) 23:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg profound already, thank you. I like all new hooks, but would add the explanation ", one of the first Nazi concentration camps," (from ALT1) to ALT2 and ALT4 if chosen, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the compliments. I have added the phrase to ALT2 and ALT4, as suggested, plus made one minor tweak to a verb, so it works better "were given... made" rather than "had", which allows the verbs to agree (again in ALT4). Marrante (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I woke up with the idea, that (memorial pictured) in any hook wood be appropriate, in honour of those who suffered, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I had the same idea. I'll add it in. Marrante (talk) 11:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just did a ch. count on the two longest hooks and adding (memorial pictured) did bring ALT3 over the 200 limit. Without it's 190; with, it's 210. I remember a question once about whether "(pictured)" counted in the character count or not, but I don't recall the answer. 210 is really over the limit, but again, I don't know the answer to the question, or if there is a different answer when you have to add a word in the parens, as in this case. Marrante (talk) 11:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The information about the picture is not counted. Even if it was, I would say let's make an exception, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)