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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Kenchin jiru

 * ... that it has been stated that kenchin jiru (pictured) originated several centuries ago from the Japanese Kenchō-ji temple, and that the dish also may have originated from shippoku cuisine? (Sources:, , )
 * Reviewed: John Henderson (University of Texas football player)

Created by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (created 16 April), seemingly long enough (over 1,500 characters), the hook is cited and the sources provided are checked, QPQ is made, and there are no copyvio issues (see results here). I think this is good. Arius1998 (talk) 03:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg I am not happy that the hook accurately reflects the source which gives two alternative theories of the origin of the dish. The "it has been stated that" is not ideal either. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what the source states; why are you "unhappy" with what the source states? North America1000 06:08, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The source gives the temple incident as a possible origin, but then mentions "according to another tradition" it has its origins in shippoku cookery. These are two mutually exclusive theories, while the hook makes it sound as if both could be true. I suggest you rephrase the hook to clarify this. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Per the source, both notions could be true. In the interest of moving forward, here's two alts below. I prefer ALT1. North America1000 09:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that kenchin jiru (pictured) may have originated several centuries ago from the Japanese Kenchō-ji temple, and it also may have originated from shippoku cuisine?
 * ALT2: ... that kenchin jiru (pictured) may have originated several centuries ago from the Japanese Kenchō-ji temple?
 * ALT2 would be OK but ALT1 still has the problem of the two origins. If the dish resulted from someone dropping a loaf of tofu on the floor, it can't really have come from shippoku cuisine, can it? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If there are problems with the two seemingly different theories forwarded in the sources provided, then I think that ALT2 would suffice. Arius1998 (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Replacing tick, as per review by Arius1998, as ALT2 alleviates my concerns. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:23, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there is one instance of close paraphrasing:
 * Source: an example of the Zen belief that food should be divided equally between the residents of a temple, regardless of their status
 * Article: as part of a Zen belief that foods should be divided equally among temple residents regardless of their status
 * Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I remember this area of the article when composing it; a bit tricky to rewrite without losing the message. I have rewritten the passage to read, "...which was based upon a Zen belief of food being equally divided regardless of the status of temple residents." (diff) North America1000 22:47, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. I trimmed the sentence some more, as this is not a discussion of Zen beliefs :). Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. I trimmed the sentence some more, as this is not a discussion of Zen beliefs :). Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)