Template:Did you know nominations/Korean Patriotic Organization


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Korean Patriotic Organization

 * ... that Korean Patriotic Organization was a secret organization that aimed for Korean independence through assassinations of prominent Japanese figures?


 * Reviewed: Obwarzanek krakowski

5x expanded by Rhee In Joon (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 06:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC).


 * Comment. This is an article nomination by a student of mine. I have did a QPQ review a while ago that I am using here, in case anyone wonders. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here
 * Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, adequately referenced. Image is freely licensed, but is very dark. QPQ done. A few issues:
 * The article lacks English grammar and a tag has been placed on the article. Examples:
 * Korean Patriotic Organization (Haninaegukdan, Hangul: 한인애국단; hanja: 韓人愛國團 also known as Korean Patriotic Corps or Korean Patriotic Legion) was one of the secret organization that to assassinate major people of Empire of Japan.


 * Edited : Korean Patriotic Organization (Haninaegukdan, Hangul: 한인애국단; hanja: 韓人愛國團 also known as Korean Patriotic Corps or Korean Patriotic Legion) was one of the secret organization that to assassinate key figures of Empire of Japan. Rhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * On September 18, 1931, the Empire of Japan manipulated Liutiaohu incident(Bombing Manchu railroad) for Mukden Incident. Chinese people's anti-Japanese independence movement proliferated because of this movement by Empire of Japan.


 * Edited : On September 18th 1931, the Empire of Japan manipulated Liutiaohu incident(Bombing Manchu railroad) for Mukden Incident. Chinese people's anti-Japanese independence movement proliferated because of this movement by Empire of Japan.Rhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In January 8, he threw bomb to the Japanese emperor Hirohito in front of the Sakuradamon.


 * Edited : On January 8, he threw bomb to the Japanese emperor Hirohito in front of the Sakuradamon.Rhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (Picture caption): Taegeukgi in Provisional Government of site the Republic of Korea in Shanghai


 * Edited : Taegeukgi in Provisional Government of Republic of Korea in ShanghaiRhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * References need to be formatted with name, date, etc. of articles cited.


 * Answer : Those references are from 'Naver encyclopedia and dictionary. So there are no name, date, etc.
 * Hook uses the word "organization" twice. I suggest tightening it this way:


 * Answer : Second hook for "secret organization" erased. Rhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that the secret Korean Patriotic Organization aimed for Korean independence through assassinations of prominent Japanese figures? Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Answer : Yes. Korean Patriotic Organization aimed for Korean independence through assassinations of prominent Japanese figures. And they also bombed Japanese buildings located in Korea, Japan, China etc.Rhee In Joon (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, the entire article needs copyediting. I just listed a few examples above. Just starting the article, we come across these garbled sentences:
 * "Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea propelled various types of independence movements. Korean Patriotic Organization (Haninaegukdan, also known as Korean Patriotic Corps or Korean Patriotic Legion) was one of the secret organization that to assassinate prominent Japanese figures of Empire of Japan. Korean Patriotic Organization was made by Kim Gu, president of Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea. (...) Korean Patriotic Organization is a new way of independence movement by assassinating major people of Empire of Japan."
 * Perhaps you could ask at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors for help. Yoninah (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, since I don't think the students can fix the grammar issues themselves, I went ahead and copyedited the article. I think the article needs expansion with regards to the other activities and the final fate of the organization, but those should not be issues for the DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you. I also copyedited the article, and moved around and removed some images. There are two tags on the article, a citation needed tag for the information under "Other activities" and a clarification needed tag for the sentence under "Later history", which doesn't make sense as written.
 * I am hesitant to AGF on the sources because I'm not sure that the student translated them correctly. The lead image was identified as "For memorial of establishing Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea", whereas Google Translate correctly translates it as a "state council commemorative", which means something different. Are you able to review the sources and affirm that material has been written correctly? Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't read Korean. I can only confirm that the sources are reliable (Korean encyclopedias). For checking the Korean text itself, I can only suggest asking on WT:KOREA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There is also the matter of tags on the text... Yoninah (talk) 06:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I will ask the students to expand those sections during the class tomorrow, this should take care of the tags, hopefully. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Yoninah, can you take a look now? I think all information is now there, and clarified. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, everything was fine until someone expanded the section under Later History. None of these sentences make any sense. Yoninah (talk) 15:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you were looking at an older version of the page. I have copyedited those sections recently (but before posting here) and they read fine to me. And frankly, while the students English is broken, even the older version made some sense, they can communicate, just with a lot of grammar errors and wrong vocabulary. But at least 80% of the sentences make enough sense that anyone with good English comprehension can rewrite them with no need to double check the original source. Not that this is relevant; I personally do not see any outstanding issues preventing this DYK from being nominated for the front page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Piotrus, I just read the "Later history" section Yoninah was talking about, and the English is clearly inadequate, especially for an article that is being submitted to be linked to on the main page. I would strongly recommend, as Yoninah did, that you submit the article to the Guild of Copy Editors; it certainly cannot be approved for DYK in its current state, which is, as you note, with a lot of grammar errors and wrong vocabulary. BlueMoonset (talk) 11:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I took another look at that section, and did another c/e myself, since we all know that the Guild is backlogged for months, which is too long for a DYK process. I hope it is fine now. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, since you've done so much work on the review to date, I'll leave it to your judgment here. Piotrus, the GOCE currently takes less than a month to complete submissions made to their request page; anything submitted now would almost certainly be completed during the next bi-monthly drive, which runs during the month of July. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I went beyond the call of duty and copyedited the article yet again. Someone keeps inserting grammatical mistakes. It is now almost ready – except for that unintelligible line, Korean Patriotic Organization was identified because of Yoo Sang-geun and Choi Heung-sik incident which was was discovered beforehand. The word "identified" is being used incorrectly, and it's not clear what is meant by the end of the sentence. Yoninah (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * My edit of the sentence should more accurately reflect the original author's intention, though I know it needs c/e. &mdash; regards, Revi 15:27, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, if that's what it means, then I went ahead and added the ref to the assassination attempts already stated above and put everything under the same section header.
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Let's finish with this already, and hopefully there will be no more ungrammatical edits. Foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)