Template:Did you know nominations/Kreuzkirche, Hanover


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Kreuzkirche, Hanover

 * ... that the Kreuzkirche, Hanover in Hanover was consecrated in 1330, became Lutheran in 1533, was destroyed in World War II, and houses an altar by Lucas Cranach? Source: several
 * Reviewed: Eleanor Nathan
 * Comment: suitable for 31 October, intentionally no image

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC).


 * Has been 5x expanded since October 27, 2017. Was still assessed as a Stub, so I've re-assessed as Start for all WikiProjects, as it clearly no longer a Stub. Verified all citations used to support the hook, using Google Translate from the German. The article and source say it was consecrated in 1333, not 1330? Also, we don't need Hanover twice or the piped link to the church article. The hook is a bit pedestrian, reads like a list. I would concentrate on one or two aspects, for example that the church was formerly Roman Catholic and became Lutheran in 1533 during the Reformation, or that its altar survived the destruction of the church during World War II and remains the central feature of the rebuilt church. A couple of suggestions:
 * ALT1: ... that the Kreuzkirche, Hanover was a Roman Catholic church which became Lutheran in 1533, during the Reformation? or
 * ALT2: ... that the Lucas Cranach-built altar of the Kreuzkirche, Hanover survived the destruction of the church during World War II, and became its central feature  when it was rebuilt?


 * Thanks for looking. Yes, typos, 1333 and the dupl Hanover, was too late. We could drop the destruction, but I though it was something that might attract people. ALT2 doesn't work, because the altar wasn't in that church (but the Schlosskirche) until after the war. I'm not happy because Catholic means something different before the Reformation, catholic. All churches which turned Protestant were catholic before, - not exciting about this one ;) - Just the 400 years are cute, I think, and the source is from 1833 ;) - Catholic Church, no need for "Roman", btw.
 * ALT3: ... that the Kreuzkirche in Hanover was consecrated in 1333, became Lutheran in 1533, and houses an altar by Lucas Cranach? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT3 is still really "listy", Gerda. Not everyone knows that all old Lutheran churches were once Catholic. Maybe many Germans, but not other people. What about a hook that focusses on the history of the altar and where it came from? It seems the most interesting bit to me. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it's meant to be related to Reformation. The altar could have its own article some day. - Can we do the following: we try something related to Reformation, and if it doesn't get featured that day (because not so many hooks wanted for the topic), we can think about alternatives? - The hook should be about this church, not that "they" were once "catholic", which meant "universal", - there was only that church in Western Europe, so the link to Catholic church is not really helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Gerda, I'm going to pass ALT3 because it meets the minimum criteria. I don't think it will attract many page views because the hook isn't very interesting, but I feel we're at cross-purposes and don't think further discussion is going to lead anywhere. Good luck with it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Now that we're building a prep set to coincide with the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, Gerda's insistence on mentioning the latter event in the hook becomes clear. I added a few words from the source and suggest this alt:
 * ALT4: ... that when the citizens of Hanover accepted the Reformation in 1533, the 200-year-old Kreuzkirche became Lutheran? Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean 400-years-old? - Otherwise fine with me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * isn't 1330 to 1533 only 203 years? Yoninah (talk) 21:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * O dear, my math ;) - Should be 1333, the other was a typo as Peacemaker found. Striking that hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Going ahead and approving ALT4, with rest of review per Peacemaker67. Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)