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Kuiu Wilderness and Tebenkof Bay Wilderness

 * ... that the Kuiu Wilderness and Tebenkof Bay Wilderness offer kayakers and canoeists a mix of peaceful, sheltered waterways and difficult, open-ocean traverses?

Created by NorthBySouthBaranof (talk). Self nominated at 22:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date and hook reference are all in order. No copy vio noted. Img is freely licensed. Good to go.-- Nvvchar . 21:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hook feels too advertorial to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My initial thoughts were that it was probably a borderline case, but I erred on the side of promotion because it is verifiably true, and the article itself is not promotional, and has passed a review certifying it as such, as well as my brief examination.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 22:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But how much of this is supported by reliable sources? What makes Lat-Long.com, wilderness.net, etc. reliable? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well since I wasn't reviewing the article, I didn't examine the other sources, but the specific claim in the hook is sourced to the US forestry service, which is (hopefully) a reliable source.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 23:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * All you have to do is scroll to the bottom of the wilderness.net front page and your question is answered: "Wilderness.net is a public wilderness information website formed in 1996 through a collaborative partnership between the Arthur Carhart National Wilderness Training Center and the Aldo Leopold Wilderness Research Institute--the federal government's wilderness training and research arms, respectively--and the College of Forestry and Conservation's Wilderness Institute at the University of Montana." A website operated by a partnership between a federal land management agency and a major public university is two kinds of reliable, particularly given that this information is entirely uncontroversial. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I replaced the Lat-Long.com reference with one to the United States Geological Survey. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you really don't like the hook I'll be happy to write another one, but I was trying to avoid the usual "Place is X acres or has X things" formulation and actually write about the known attributes of the site. Is it really POV or "promotional" to say that a designated wilderness area is "peaceful?" or that an open-ocean traverse in a kayak is "difficult?" NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg  I propose this alt hook (I verified the source and I think it's interesting, but someone other than me will need to verify it):
 * *ALT1: ... that Kuiu Wilderness and Tebenkof Bay Wilderness (pictured) are accessible only by boat or floatplane? --Orlady (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me, and it's true - they're on Kuiu Island, in the Alexander Archipelago, which has no bridges to anywhere else. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Looks interesting and more neutral to me as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)