Template:Did you know nominations/Léon Davent


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Léon Davent

 * ... that the etchings of Léon Davent include the "somewhat, but not altogether, surprising" subject of Michelangelo at the Age of Twenty-Three (pictured) made over 40 years after that point? Source: " Jacobson, Karen (ed), (often wrongly cat. as George Baselitz), The French Renaissance in Prints (most relevant text by Suzanne Boorsch or Henri Zerner), 1994, Grunwald Center, UCLA, ISBN 0962816221, pp. 264-265. Online, British Museum page.  From the rest of the article, no one sees Davent making etchings as early as 1498+40=1538.
 * Reviewed: Switched to Template:Did you know nominations/The Red Shoes (ballet) (Schwesta Ewa - held up again.)

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 18:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Long enough, created within time, hook fact is cited to an offline source. I like the hook but it's a bit confusing - after reading the article I get the point, but frankly the hook just seems to be garbled on first reading. What can we reword it to that will make it clear why the print's subject is surprising? Also - the nominator hasn't indicated which QPQ was done. Earwig's tool shows no problems (the one "problem" is actually a quotation in the wikipedia article...). Ealdgyth - Talk 15:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't done a qpq yet. I see the hook as hooky and intriguing rather than confusing, but there is a bit to squeeze in. Ideas on how to reword it are welcome. Johnbod (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * QPQ now done. Johnbod (talk) 05:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I still don't have a better suggestion on the hook, unfortunately, given the space constraints. Perhaps "... that the etchings of Léon Davent include the "somewhat, but not altogether, surprising" subject of Michelangelo at the Age of Twenty-Three (pictured) made over 40 years after Michelangelo left France?" Ealdgyth - Talk 13:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * He was never in France (that was Leonardo). The difficulty is that you can't, I think, use "date". Is "time" better? Probably not. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I've still got nothing better on this. I think the original hook is just too confusing for most folks to understand but cannot for the life of me think of anything better... Ealdgyth - Talk 16:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked at article and hook, agree with the review above, minor: in each section, his name should be repeated, it's missing in Works, style and technique, after the preceding section dealt with something else. - I also find the Michelangelo the work that would show best in small size, - tend to keep it very simple:
 * ALT1: ... that the etchings of Léon Davent include Michelangelo at the Age of Twenty-Three (pictured) made some forty years after Michelangelo was twenty three?
 * The caption could be shorter than repeating the whole title, such as Etching of Michelangelo, to have a link once. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Length, Date, QPQ, and Earwigs check. Offline ref accepted AGF, and the image is PD-Old.  I tweaked ALT1 to highlight the time delay between Michelangelo being 23 and the print being made so it would be more "hooky".  Mifter (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2017 (UTC)