Template:Did you know nominations/Li Keran


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Li Keran

 * ... that Li Keran painting Landscape in Red, sold for CN¥80 in the 1970s, fetched CN¥184000000 at auction four decades later? Source: SCMP
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andreia Norton

5x expanded by Med Nyin (talk) and Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 19:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg *Fivefold expansion, long enough.
 * In-line references. I am unable to check the Chinese references.
 * No copyright violation detected. Neutral tone.
 * The hook is short enough, neutral and "hooky".
 * User:Zanhe: Do you have a QPQ please?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your review. I've added the QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 20:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Approved.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I was wondering why you're featuring a painting that is not pictured in the article? People who click on the hook will be disappointed. Yoninah (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm featuring the painting in the hook because the meteoric rise in its value is the most striking fact about the artist. People will be disappointed no matter what when an artist's article does not include any of his works because of copyright laws. There's nothing we can do about that. -Zanhe (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. But when I looked for the selling price in the article, I see you called the painting by its Chinese name there. Also, wouldn't it be easier for English-readers to read "yuan" (or whatever the name of the currency is) rather than that complicated symbol? Can we write:
 * ALT1: ... that Li Keran painting Wan Shan Hong Bian (Landscape in Red), which sold for 80 yuan in the 1970s, fetched 184 million yuan at auction four decades later? Yoninah (talk) 19:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, now I see where you come from. I actually did use the English names, but Med Nyin moved them to the previous section where the painting is first mentioned, which I thought was fine. I've now added the English name back to the paragraph. I don't think the Chinese name needs to go in the hook, as it's meaningless to most readers, but I'm fine with using "yuan" instead of the symbol. And I think six 0's is hookier than the word "million", as it provides a better visual contrast with the number 80. How about ALT2: -Zanhe (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that Li Keran painting Landscape in Red, which sold for 80 yuan in the 1970s, fetched 184,000,000 yuan at auction four decades later? -Zanhe (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, ALT2 is fine. It's also verified by an inline, English-language source. I added the translation of the painting title to the lead. We are writing for English-speaking readers here. Restoring tick for ALT2 per Zigzig20s' review. Yoninah (talk) 07:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)