Template:Did you know nominations/List of Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS divisions involved in war crimes in Italy


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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS divisions involved in war crimes in Italy

 * ... that many front-line German units committed war crimes in Italy during World War II? Carlo Gentile. Politische Soldaten. Die 16. SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Reichsführer-SS" in Italien 1944 [Political soldiers. The 16th SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Division „Reichsführer-SS“ in Italy 1944] (in German). Cologne. p. 1 Source
 * ALT1:... that most German units that committed war crimes in Italy were Wehrmacht, not Waffen-SS?
 * ALT2:... that front-line German units murdered thousands of Italian civilians during World War II? Gentile p. 1
 * Reviewed: Kevin Rashid Johnson

Created by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 03:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC).


 * starting review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 13:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

please cut and paste the citations for the hook into the nomination for review. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing. Sources added above. I've struck ALT1, because while it is evident in the article/list, I'm not sure it is directly stated in any of the sources. Also, the Waffen-SS units have a higher body count, so I don't want to be accused of being misleading. Catrìona (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The two remaining hooks are cited as per the provided source. But, I am intrigued by two other paragraphs though, and I'm curious if you would consider other hooks. First the sense of betrayal, and the military crisis in the Book Review by Sönke Neitze, and second the two divisions causing one third of the civillian deaths as per Gentile, p. 4 & 5. How do you feel about those? Flibirigit (talk) 23:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Flibirigit: In fact, I would be delighted if you have a better idea. Catrìona (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Let me know what you think. Flibirigit (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT3 ... that during World War II, two divisions of the Wehrmacht Luftwaffe and the Waffen-SS accounted for one third of the war crimes in Italy? Source pp. 4–5
 * ALT4 ... that during World War II, the 1st Fallschirm-Panzer and 16th SS Panzergrenadier Divisions accounted for one third of the war crimes in Italy? Source pp. 4–5
 * ALT5 ... that during World War II, the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS were thought to commit war crimes against Italians in retaliation for Italy's surrender? Book Review by Sönke Neitze

I like these suggestions and am inclined to let the promoter pick. One suggestion: replace Wehrmacht with Luftwaffe in ALT3. The Clean Luftwaffe myth is even more enduring than the Clean Wehrmacht. Catrìona (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, I missed that one. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

approving DYK review with preference to the last three hooks. ALT0 and ALT2 are also good if needed. Flibirigit (talk) 01:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)