Template:Did you know nominations/Lydia Purdy Hess


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Lydia Purdy Hess

 * ... that American artist Lydia Purdy Hess sketched and painted while floating on the Ohio River during her two-month honeymoon?
 * ALT1: ... that American portrait artist Lydia Purdy Hess studied with Désiré François Laugée and James Abbott McNeill Whistler, and is the mother of Oliver H. Lowry?
 * ALT0a: ... that American portrait artist Lydia Purdy Hess, best known for her "Portrait of Miss E.H.", sketched and painted while floating on the Ohio River during her two-month honeymoon?
 * ALT1a: ... that American artist Lydia Purdy Hess, best known for her "Portrait of Miss E.H.", studied with Désiré François Laugée and James Abbott McNeill Whistler, and is the mother of Oliver H. Lowry?
 * Reviewed: Ding Yi (businessman)

Created by Davidevanthomas (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 17:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article is about 1600 bytes, and was nominated for DYK within seven days of creation, satisfying length and date criteria. Please fix referencing issues: one is ref 2, which links to pages 379-380 of the source, but the info cited is on page 402 (perhaps you can use rp or similar template to indicate page number); ref 3 has the same problem. Ref 3 only partially supports the claim to which it is attached; all of it is supported by ref 1. Please remove offsite link to " Mineral Point Historical Society" from the text. Don't assume the reader has knowledge in the subject - instead of saying "she studied with Laugée", say "she studied with Désiré Laugée" (subsequent uses can refer to only the surname, of course). Also, once you've stated the person's name, use only the surname/family name later in the article; paragraphs 3 and 5 both start by using a full name. I can't find Skokie in either of the cited refs for the last sentence. The first sentence should have a citation to ref 5, as that's the only one that states her birth date and place. Is there a source for the claims "First Prize in Watercolor" and "active in drawing, painting and sculpture"? I prefer the original hook, but the cited source does not mention that it last two months; I'll assume good faith that this is stated in "The Book of Chicagoans", as I cannot access it.
 * Although the review is somewhat lengthy, there are only a few minor issues to resolve. Mind  matrix  19:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review and comments, ! I've taken care of most of them. As for the "First Prize" and "active...", (original author), do you remember what reference / where you found that? Also, I swore I saw the two-month honeymoon mentioned somewhere, but I agree, I'm not seeing duration at the moment., can you help with that, too?
 * As for the links, Mindmatrix, when I click they go to the right page (maybe it saved where I was last time?). Otherwise, the link in general goes to the full source, and it's easy to page through the Internet Archive's interface (or use the search bar on a term like "Hess"). But I added page #s to the refs themselves. = paul2520 (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed the wording we didn't find a reference for. Would you take another pass at the review, ? = paul2520 (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Was the bit about the honeymoon lasting two months not in "The Book of Chicagoans"? (I had assumed good faith for it in that reference, as I cannot access it.) Mind  matrix  14:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The page you're viewing is saved by your browser either as a cookie or using web storage, but the URL may not change. Yes, others can do a search to find it, but the point of citations is to provide specific details about where the info is located. This isn't required for DYK, however, so I won't belabour the point. Mind  matrix  14:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice until after writing the above that you had already made the change - my apologies. Mind  matrix  14:28, 20 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go, and earlier I forgot to mention that QPQ was completed. Mind  matrix  14:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have in my possession the journal of that trip. Primary source, though.DET (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The 1st prize is mentioned in a 2002 letter from the School of the Art Institute. However, this may be considered a primary source and therefore not Wiki… eligible. Please advise.DET (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,, and thanks for the reply! I hope you don't mind, I copied it down here to track time (and it was in the middle of my earlier message).
 * Per WP:Primary sources, are these primary sources published? The policy isn't to avoid them completely, but to use good judgment. It sounds like the Art Institute letter is worth citing for sure, and possibly the journal. I would love to have a copy of both references. = paul2520 (talk) 12:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this. I tried to add her notability to the lead, but I'm not sure if that's why she's notable. Could you add more information about why she's notable? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, . How are these?
 * ALT2: ... that American portrait artist Lydia Purdy Hess, known for her "Portrait of Miss E.H.", studied with Désiré François Laugée and James Abbott McNeill Whistler, and is the mother of Oliver H. Lowry?
 * ALT3: ... that American portrait artist Lydia Purdy Hess studied at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, Académie Delécluse, and Académie Julian, and is the mother of Oliver H. Lowry?
 * = paul2520 (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I like the original hook. What I was asking about is why she is notable. Is she notable because she exhibited at the places mentioned in the lead? Being the mother of someone doesn't confer notability. Can you add anything else to the lead? Yoninah (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . How about now? = paul2520 (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see any changes to the lead. What did you do? Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I thought you had meant the hooks, which I changed here. I did just change the lead slightly to match . Is that what you were looking for? = paul2520 (talk) 00:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg OK, let's go with ALT0a, which has some added interest from the name of her best-known portrait. Restoring tick per Mindmatrix's review. ALT0a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)