Template:Did you know nominations/M. Belle Brown


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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

M. Belle Brown

 * ... that M. Belle Brown, dean of the New York Medical College and Hospital for Women, was one of the few women in medicine of her time who practiced surgery? Source: Memoirs of the Miami valley, 1919, Vol. 3, pg 44
 * ALT1:... that M. Belle Brown, one of the few women in medicine of her time who practiced surgery, discovered a remedy for sea-sickness and train-nausea, called "Ship-shape"? Source: Memoirs of the Miami valley, 1919, Vol. 3, pg 44
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vera Nemirova

Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 15:29, 10 August 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough, and the source given for the main hook confirms she was a pioneer in female surgeons, however I cannot see where the source is confirmed as public domain, the page just says "Copyright © 1999 by Computerized Heritage Association. All Rights Reserved." If this source is not PD, the article has a copyright violation. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:00, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The text on that website is a copy and past of: Memoirs of the Miami valley, by Hover, John Calvin, Publication date 1919, which is a Public Domain book/text (Vol 3, pg 44 ). Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Okay, I can't see page 43 on the preview, so I'll have to AGF it's there, which satisfies the copyright issue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * you can click here: and then if you search M. Belle Brown you find it Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg A QPQ is required; as I type this Elisa.rolle has two nominations in prep sets, and there are three approved nominations from earlier dates on this page which between them account for all five of her QPQ exemptions. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg QPQ provide Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Restoring AGF tick per review by Ritchie333 now that QPQ has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:19, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Not enough original prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg 1541 characters are not from the PD source. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * My count is 570, including the unsourced parts about her death and burial. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:12, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Mary Belle Brown, M.D. (March 1, 1846 – July 13, 1924) was a physician and surgeon, one of the few women in medicine of her time who practiced surgery. He was the son of Arnold Brown and his grandfather was Reverend Chad Brown, a co-founder of Providence Plantations. His great grandsons. She was the daughter of Andrew Telford, a pioneer of Miami county. Brown had 5 siblings: Cyrus Telford (1844–1914), Cornelia J. (1844–1907), Rebecca, Arnold O. (1852–1928) and Harry W. (Xxxx-xxxx). Not much later she moved to 30 West 51st street, where she practiced from 1890 until her retirement. During the earlier years her practice took her frequently to the poorer quarters of the metropolis. She attended clinics in New York and Chicago, studying under noted surgeons. She was later made the dean, succeeding in that post Dr. Clemence Sophia Harned Lozier, noted feminist activist and founder of the college. She was also the discoverer of a remedy for mal-de-mere, or sea-sickness, and train-nausea, called "Ship-shape". After 40 years of a career all spent in New York, in 1917 M. Elle Brown retired to Troy, Ohio. During World War I Brown was intensely active in raising funds for the American Hospital of Paris, as well as for the Red Cross. Brown died on July 13, 1924, in Troy and is buried at Riverside Cemetery, Troy, Section 3, Lot 118, with her family." Elisa.rolle (talk) 13:42, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * A significant portion of that is quoting or close paraphrasing of the cited source. For example, "During the earlier years her practice took her frequently to the poorer quarters of the metropolis" vs "During the earlier years her practice took her frequently to the poorer quarters of the metropolis" here. Such content cannot be counted as original prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * removing that sentence, the count goes down to 1247. even if the rest is a paraphrasing and not a copy, in this way there is not the limit of 1500. withdrawing this DYK. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)