Template:Did you know nominations/Machida Hisanari


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Machida Hisanari

 * ... that the first director of the Tokyo National Museum was the samurai Machida Hisanari?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Moser–de Bruijn sequence

Created by Bamse (talk). Self-nominated at 00:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC).

And while we're at it, I will explicitly affirm the "new enough" criterion by mentioning that the article was moved into mainspace on November 17.--Father Goose (talk) 23:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg 2829 characters, translated from French Wikipedia. Free of plagiarism, hook is fine, image is free.  QPQ satisfied.--Father Goose (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg  you should provide a review that explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met. The first paragraph under "Return to Japan" also needs at least one cite, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 18:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * References added for that paragraph. bamse (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, the chief problem is that the facts in the hook were drawn from the lead paragraph, which was not cited. I added two inline citations of sources already in the article to directly support the hook.
 * Thanks. bamse (talk) 12:19, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you for your work on the citations. However, since they are not controversial statements and are already cited in the body of the article, they should not be cited in the lead. The main problem with your review was that it did not cite the five main DYK criteria. You cited article length and close paraphrasing. Not sure what "hook is fine" means. Please review the criteria, or use the handy DYK reviewers template found on each nomination template to check off the various criteria. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks! Now, would you mind removing those cites from the lead? Just make sure they're in the body of the article. (I would do it myself, but I'm not familiar with this foreign subject.) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Not having citations in the lead is Manual of Style issue, not one of policy, and is not a requirement of DYK. Furthermore, the MoS that does govern this issue, WP:CITELEAD, neither prohibits nor requires citations in the lead.  But more importantly, the fact in the hook – that Machida was a samurai – is in the lead but not the body, and therefore a citation must be provided in order to conform to DYK Rule 3, "The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article".  As for whether "he was a samurai" should in the article as well as the lead, I am inclined to believe that is a basic fact, as outlined in WP:LEAD, not requiring a redundant mention elsewhere.--Father Goose (talk) 19:07, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK, thanks. I went ahead and edited the article for English grammar and to remove some close paraphrasing. The lead sentence erroneously called him the founder of the museum, which is not confirmed by the source. I changed it to the first director of the museum and left the citation in the body of the text. Restoring tick per your review. Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--Father Goose (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Is there anything else to be done, or should I just wait? bamse (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Now we're just waiting for an editor to promote it to the prep sets. When it appears on the main page, you'll get a notice on your talk page. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2016 (UTC)