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Madeleine Taylor (basketball)

 * ... that former Australian Institute of Sport team member Madeleine Taylor gave up netball to pursue basketball?
 * Reviewed: Portrait of the Duchess of Alba

Created/expanded by LauraHale (talk). Nominated by Riley Huntley (talk) at 10:42, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * — Maile (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Riley Huntley, when you added Reference #6 to the article, you added it as a bare URL. Can you please get that corrected? — Maile  (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maile66, I am just the nominator (don't recall making an edit adding a ref) but I will take a look and see if I can find a replacement ref thats accessible. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  21:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The article history shows you did editing, and within that editing dropped in Reference #6. The reference is already accessible.  It's just not formatted correctly.  It's a bare URL. Also, reference 9 needs attention.  It's either formatted awkwardly, or it's a bare URL.  — Maile  (talk) 21:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reference issues have been fixed. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  22:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but please have a look at Reference #9. I mentioned it in my second post up there, so maybe you didn't see what I said about that. Reference #9 is askew as it looks and needs to be fixed, one way or the other.  Thanks. — Maile  (talk) 22:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did what you said and saved the edit but didn't realize that the spam filter rejected the edit. Will deal with shortly then. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  22:18, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed all issues. '''-- Cheers, Riley   Huntley ''' 23:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to post a notice on LauraHale's talk page as well. I'm finding some other issues:
 * Hook differs from article statement, "She made a decision in 2007 to focus less on netball and more on basketball." The article doesn't say she gave up basketball, just that she decided to focus less on it.
 * References 3 and 4 are deadlinks

— Maile (talk) 23:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Removed links as the references are available offline. (Page, author, date, title, newspaper.)  --LauraHale (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Alt1... that 2009/10 AIS player Madeleine Taylor played goal defense in netball?
 * Alt1 proposed. --LauraHale (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I made two teensy corrective edits on the article. If we can get Riley Huntley to agree on the Alt1 hook, I believe we can more forward with this nom.— Maile (talk) 00:30, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree on Alt1. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley 


 * REVIEW COMPLETED - The following has been checked in this review by Maile66
 * QPQ not necessary, not a self-nom, but one was done by Riley Huntley on October 17, 2012
 * Article moved from User:LauraHale/Madeleine Taylor on October 21, 2012 and has 2,150 characters of readable prose
 * NPOV
 * Hook (Alt1) is interesting, short enough and appropriately referenced
 * AGF offline sourcing on hook (Alt1) at the end of the sentence
 * Every paragraph sourced
 * Duplication Detector run, no copyvio found
 * Symbol confirmed.svg GOOD 2 GO with Alt1 hook
 * — Maile (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg What makes this hook interesting? Some woman played something called "goal defense" in a game called netball? (Note: "goal defense" isn't even a term used in the linked netball article.) The article further says she "plays" goal defense in netball, which is odd given that the source for that is an article from 2007, the same one that says she was emphasizing basketball over netball. If the idea is that we're supposed to get from the AIS link that she's a basketball player and therefore netball is an oddity, it's failing utterly. The vast majority of readers are simply not going to get meaning from AIS. The original hook was more interesting by far, though it obviously can't be used if it can't be sourced, and I've struck it since it was not approved. Can we have an ALT2, please? (By the way, what does "She wore gurnsey number 20" mean? Should that be "jersey"? Or is there another name for a shirt with a number on it in Australia?) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm at a loss. As you've held this up, can you please propose an alternative interesting hook? The point of the hook was that Taylor played two sports. And no, gurnsey is the correct Australian word. --LauraHale (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been trying to come up something interesting, but there isn't all that much to work with. I think this one is better than another I was working on, which involved the three years on Geelong teams including the debut year of the Supercats and didn't mention netball:
 * ALT2: ... that two years after Madeleine Taylor decision to focus more on basketball than netball, she played in the WNBL on the Australian Institute of Sport team?
 * That's 156 characters including spaces. If I'm correct in my understanding that the WNBL is a professional league—that's what it says on the Wikipedia page for the WNBL—then you could add the word "professional" before "WNBL" or "professionally" after "played", though I think you'd need to source the professional aspect in Madeleine's article. Does this hook work? Would rewording make it better? —BlueMoonset (talk) 02:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Fine with alt. --LauraHale (talk) 03:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ALT2 looks good to me. -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  04:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote4.png Glad it works! Thanks. Independent reviewer needed for ALT2. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I've reviewed the ALT2 hook, and it is good to go, assuming good faith on offline sources. But my concern is if this article is about a notable topic; I'm not certain that this player passes either WP:NBASKETBALL or WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Mentoz86 has had over a week to open an AfD on this article if they wished, but has not, so presumably their notability concerns are not an issue. Sources appear to be non-trivial mentions, which is good enough for me. Length, date and hook check out (AGF for offline source). Good to go.  Harrias  talk 11:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)