Template:Did you know nominations/Mai Chaza


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Mai Chaza

 * ...that followers of the Zimbabwean prophetess Mai Chaza replaced the New Testament with a compilation of her own words and deeds? Source:
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pachycondyla oligocenica

Created by Prioryman (talk). Self-nominated at 22:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Interesting article, length, date, sourcing of article/hook and QPQ all check out. No copyvio, though I didn't have full access to sources, but AGF. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Returned from prep for inaccuracy and lack of hook interest per discussion at WT:DYK. I edited the article to bring it in line with what the source says, and propose this alt:
 * ALT1: ... that a Bible recording the words and deeds of Zimbabwean faith healer Mai Chaza depicts her as a member of the Trinity? Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To be honest I thought the original hook was fine - I don't agree with TRM's view that it lacked interest. Unfortunately your proposed hook wouldn't work either, because the Guta raJehovah Bible doesn't, as far as I know, depict her as a member of the Trinity. If you look closely at the source it says "A book of revelation called the Guta raJehova Bible, in which Mai Chaza 's words and deeds are recorded, has replaced the New Testament and she is depicted as a member of the Trinity". It doesn't say that she is depicted as such in the book itself. My understanding is that her followers depict her that way, not the book. I've taken the opportunity to expand the article further so I'll suggest the following as a better alternative hook which is fully sourced . Prioryman (talk) 11:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that the Zimbabwean prophetess Mai Chaza, who called herself a messenger from God, was regarded by her followers as an African reappearance of Christ?
 * the ALT2 angle is good, but nowhere in the sources is she called a "prophetess"; rather, a faith healer. Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , used in the fourth sentence of the section titled "Establishment of the City of God". I should add that in the context of African religion, a prophetess is definitely not the same thing as a faith healer. Prioryman (talk) 19:48, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, that cite does verify calling her a prophetess. I made a few adjustments to the article and added a cite to the lead for DYK purposes. The only problem with ALT2 is that the phrase "an African reappearance of Christ" is lifted directly from the source. I put it in quotes in the article, but do you really want to use quotes in the hook? Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems a bit inelegant to put it in quotes. To be honest I think we can invoke WP:LIMITED on this phrase; there really aren't many alternative ways of putting it. I don't think re-using a five-word phrase is likely to be objectionable to anybody. Prioryman (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is it "an African reincarnation of Christ" or a "reappearance of Christ in Africa"? Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the latter works best (reincarnation isn't exactly a Christian belief!). Let's go with "reappearance of Christ in Africa" - thanks for suggesting it. Prioryman (talk) 21:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Well, it's not much different, and I like the way the hook ends on "Christ". So let's go with WP:LIMITED and ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)