Template:Did you know nominations/Mano Blanca


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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Mano Blanca

 * ... that Mano Blanca was an anti-communist death squad set up and run by the Guatemalan military with considerable assistance from the United States of America?
 * Reviewed: Maryat Lee

5x expanded by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self nominated at 06:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC).


 * Comment Not sure "considerable assistance" is quite demonstrated, though of course the refs are off-line. Training, weapons, cash? These are assistance. Encouragement is different. "support" might be better, if more specifics can't be produced. Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Johnbod, I believe the assistance inlcluded all of these. The CIA also actually created a lot of the organization that this group and its ilk were built out of. The source is indeed offline, but I can provide you quotes if you like, and google search will let you locate where they are from at the very least, even if it will not let you read them. Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Then you should add more specifics to the article, probably using some quotations. Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Vanamonde93, I see no sign that you've addressed the suggestions made by Johnbod in the nearly four weeks since the above comments. It sounds like the specifics are needed to adequately support the hook if the hook is to be used as is. Can you please let us know what you intend to do here? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * BlueMoonset, apologies for the delay in responding; bad weather unexpectedly cut me off from the internet, and my connectivity is still terrible. I am not currently in a position to add stuff. I will be able to in a few days time. Alternatively, I am willing to strike the "considerable" from the hook, as the sources show assistance quite unequivocally. If even that is not acceptable, I am willing to strike the phrase about US assistance (although that is what makes the topic fascinating to me.) Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 11:16, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me know when it is ready for another look. Johnbod (talk) 15:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * BlueMoonset, Johnbod, apologies once again for the delay; my internet was terrible, and I got caught up with a GA nomination. In any case, those are sorted out, and I will now see this through. Johnbod, I have added some information; please take a look. Essentially, I am relying on two sources for the statement about the US. Levinson-Estrada says that the CIA set up the basis for the government network that ran the death squads, and continued to support it. Ibarra details a lot of the support given, including arms, fighting techniques, and military consultants. Ibarra does not mention Mano Blanca in his main text; this support was to the death squads in general; but he states in a footnote that Mano Blanca was the most prominent of them. Is this sufficient? Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg I think there is enough. I'd like to see more use of the CEH report though. The end date of the group is categorized but not mentioned in the text. Please add. Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Johnbod. I will do so as soon as I get my hands on a good source; not very many sources discuss the end of Mano Blanca actions, and the ones that do I don't currently have access to. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)