Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Guilfoyle


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Margaret Guilfoyle

 * ... that Margaret Guilfoyle was initially one of only two women in the Australian Senate, but another 19 were elected during her career? Source: The last table at the bottom of this page, can be more easily crossreferenced at our Women in the Australian Senate page.
 * Reviewed: Bahra (tribe)

5x expanded by Ivar the Boneful (talk). Self-nominated at 16:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Substantial article, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I am not excited about the hook, saying nothing about her. Can we have second female yes, but than something she did well? Like the 3 minister fields? - Suggestions for the article: I think "Dame" is an honourific prefix, which belongs above her name in the infobox, and perhaps not bolded? I'd place the list of honours below the last prose section. In references, we don't have to use all-capitals, even if the source does that. Name: I wonder from when one in life we should call her by married name. Certainly not at birth. (I fixed that.) My remedy in such case is to use "she" instead of a name more often. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 19 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Expanded 5x from 154 to 1488 words. Earwig's copyvio reports violation possible with a 50.3% confidence, but the detailed analysis shows this is due to the use of attributed quotes and formal titles of positions, organisations etc. The use of Dame in the infobox is consistent with other usage, eg Dame Marie Bashir, Dame Quentin Bryce, Sir Edmund Barton and Sir Peter Cosgrove. These also show honours as the last of the contents. Some suggestions for rewording the hook below. Find bruce (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Gerda Arendt for your review and User:Find bruce for your comments. Putting Sir/Dame in bold seems to be standard for politicians; Margaret Beckett is another example. (I think other wikiprojects, e.g. entertainment and sport, may have a different standard.) Choosing when to start using the married name is always a difficulty, especially since I've included her marriage under "personal life" rather than "early life"; I'll try and overcome it. I've added another alternative blurb below that basically combines Find bruce's two blurbs. Not sure if "razor gang" should be capitalised or not - sources seem to vary, but the original source didn't capitalise it. From what I understand, the last blurb is often more of a jokey one - perhaps ALT3 would fit in well there. Also not sure whether "razor gang" should be in quotes. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that Margaret Guilfoyle avoided being cast as the special friend of Australian housewives to become the first woman with a cabinet portfolio and then the first woman to be the Minister for Finance. Sources: So Many Firsts: Liberal Women from Menzies to Turnbull Era pages 73 & Guilfoyle, Dame Margaret Georgina Constance (1926– ).
 * ALT2:... that Australian politician Margaret Guilfoyle went from being unhelpful in identifying potential spending cuts to becoming a key member of a Razor Gang to cut government expenditure. Source: Guilfoyle, Dame Margaret Georgina Constance (1926– ).


 * ALT3:... that Australian politician Margaret Guilfoyle was hoped to be the "special friend" of Australian housewives, but ended up joining the Razor Gang?


 * Thank you both for suggesting. ALT1 is too much of a good thing, and too little. Imagine readers who have no idea of her long political career. What does "special friend of Australian housewives" mean then. ALT2 works for me. After I imported elements from ALT2 to ALT3, and dropped "once" because it's no single instance, that would also work. I'll watch for more proposals, but those two are now approved.
 * Symbol confirmed.svg - I know articles such as Gwyneth Jones (soprano) and Montserrat Caballé. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 21 October 2018 (UTC)