Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Darby


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Marie Darby

 * ... that that the first women to visit the Antarctic mainland, including Marie Darby in 1968, had to overcome the “petticoat ban” to get there ...? Source: "Braxton, Dorothy (1969). The abominable snow-women. Wellington, New Zealand: A.H. & A. W Reed, p. 17." (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
 * ALT1: ... that the first New Zealand woman to visit the Antarctic mainland, Marie Darby, was a lecturer on a tourist boat which ran aground there on its first trip? Source: "Magga Dan aground at McMurdo. Evening Post. Wellington, New Zealand. 22 January 1968, p. 10" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
 * Comment: Article created in my sandbox on November 5, moved to mainspace on November 6
 * Comment: Article created in my sandbox on November 5, moved to mainspace on November 6

Created by Pippipip (talk), Ambrosia10 (talk), MurielMary (talk), and Paora (talk). Nominated by Pippipip (talk) at 03:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC).


 * Prefer ALT1 - as there is no article on "petticoat ban" then the first hook is a bit meaningless - hard to know what a petticoat ban is. THe second is more interesting IMO. MurielMary (talk) 07:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, spot checked cites in body and ALT1 (which I also prefer). Good to go, but who do I check for QPQ? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Maury Markowitz, the nominator (in this case Pippipip) is responsible for providing the quid pro quo review, assuming they have five DYK credits; if not, then a QPQ is not required. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:01, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, newish user with no other obvious DYK work, so the QPQ should be under 5 and we're good to go. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:49, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but in both hooks it takes a very long time to get to the linked subject. Could you write a hook with the subject's name up front? If ALT1 is being used, some of the details in the hook could also be trimmed to make it more hooky. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to the reviewers for all your work; would either of these do instead for a more hooky hook:
 * ALT2: ... that Marie Darby, the first New Zealand woman to visit the Antarctic mainland, sailed on a tourist boat that ran aground in McMurdo Sound?
 * ALT3: ... that biologist Marie Darby, the first New Zealand woman on the Antarctic mainland, sailed there on a tourist boat that ran aground? Pippipip (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the alt hooks. We can't link McMurdo Sound on the main page because that article is a mess and is tagged for unencyclopedic writing. Since the boat was the first to the Ross Sea and also ran aground, I think that's important to include in the hook. Like:
 * ALT3a: ... that marine biologist Marie Darby, the first New Zealand woman to visit the Antarctic mainland, sailed to the Ross Sea on a tourist boat that ran aground on its first trip?
 * I did some editing on the article; please see there. I removed all the uncontroversial cites from the lead; please check that I put them in the right place in the body of the article. Also, I added an infobox template for you to fill in. Don't you have any biographical information about her—birth/death dates, place of birth/death, education? If she's notable, she'll probably be listed in an encyclopedia. Also, why are you calling her a marine scientist in the lead and a biologist in the categories? Was she a marine biologist? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for your editing, I have checked the cites are in the right place in the main body of the article. Also I have changed marine scientist in the lead to marine biologist which is how she is described elsewhere. Sorry I'm not sure what the infobox template is? (This is only my second Wikipedia article and first DYK nomination.) I have looked for birth date but can't see this given in any library catalogues. It's possible this is her, born 2 August 1940: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19400810.2.2?query=marie%20buchler (mother a doctor and names match) but could be a sister. Little reference material available for early NZ women visitors to the Antarctic. Thanks again Pippipip (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I have also found out that she had three children (as mentioned in the Sunday Star Times article) and one of them, Sefton Darby, is a Sydney-based consultant working on public policy, good governance, and community engagement issues (https://thespinoff.co.nz/author/sefton-darby/), in his book The ground between (Bridget Williams Books, Nov 2017) he thanks his parents Marie Buchler and John Darby in the acknowledgements and talks about all the exploration stories he grew up with and how the book's prehistory is probably located with them "somewhere on a ship in the Antarctc or on the Otago pensinsula". Is that worth including? Pippipip (talk) 21:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. No, I don't think we can use the first source, and the second source isn't really necessary either. I filled in the infobox with whatever information I could find in the article. I was about to promote this, but I don't see the hook fact, that this was the Magga Dan first trip, in footnote 5. (This is cited in the first sentence under Antartica.) Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

I have added a citation that mentions the first tourist vessel to the Ross Sea area, the Magga Dan (https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/women-antarctica) - this is not quite the same as an existing later citation as it is in the body of the text, not the Comments. Thank you again Pippipip (talk) 05:52, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Great. Everything's in order. ALT3a hook refs verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Maury Markowitz. ALT3a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 28 November 2017 (UTC)