Template:Did you know nominations/Mary, Queen of Hungary


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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 08:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Mary, Queen of Hungary

 * ... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) was crowned "king" at the age of twelve?
 * ... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) was crowned "king" a day after her father's burial?
 * ALT1:... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) burst into tears at the coronation of Charles III of Naples?
 * ALT2:... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) was present when her mother was strangled?
 * Reviewed: Gerard Behar Center

Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Date and length fine. AGF on offline hooks. I think the original is the best one. QPQ done. Good to go.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Reopened, per discussion at WT:DYK. Age of twelve is not supported by the article (and only by some sources, others give 10 or 11). Fram (talk) 08:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


 * She appears to have been crowned between age 11 and 12. I don't know about Hungary, but in many cultures ages are customarily rounded up, not down, which may help explain the discrepancy. This should be an easy fix, just change the hook to say "before the age of 12" instead of "at". -Zanhe (talk) 16:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments. Actually, I think she was twelve (an infant a day after his birth is not 0-year-old), but this info is not explicitly mentioned in the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's not be specific about her age. A woman's age should be a secret, anyway.
 * ALT3: ... that in 1386, Elizabeth of Bosnia arranged to have Charles III of Naples killed so that her teen-aged daughter  Mary (pictured) could regain the throne in Hungary? --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What about the following hook? Borsoka (talk) 18:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT4: ... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) regained the throne after her mother, Elizabeth of Bosnia, arranged the murder of Charles III of Naples in 1386?
 * HOOK REVIEW: Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 07:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT : Date is confirmed by sources. 'Crowned "king"' is questionable. Engel, Ch. 12 says "Louis's throne passed to" Mary. I can't see Csukovits, which is the other citation. Women and Power in East Central Europe (Marianne Sághy, 1993, not cited in the article) states she was crowned "regina Hungariae",  queen of Hungary.
 * ALT1 : Accept Hungarian source in good faith.
 * ALT2 : Supported by Engel.
 * ALT3 : This hook is awkward because the link to the DYK article is buried in the middle. Also, the specific wording of this hook is not supported in the text by citations, although the following facts are cited: "Upon Queen Elizabeth's request, Charles visited ... During the meeting, Blaise Forgách attacked the king..." Yes, he was almost certainly murdered at Elizabeth's instigation, but that's not explicitly stated and cited. I would recommend not using ALT3.
 * ALT4 : Much more readable, but suffers from the same citation issue as ALT3. If the text is edited to clearly cite this statement, it would be fine. Alternately, the following ALT5 would be a possibility:
 * ALT5:... that Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) regained the throne after her mother, Elizabeth of Bosnia, invited Charles III of Naples to his death in 1386? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 07:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review. For me, any solution is acceptable. Borsoka (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALT5, which I think is a much more interesting hook than ALT1 or ALT2. Per Mary Mark Ockerbloom's review, I have struck ALT3 and ALT4 as well as the revision of the original hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT5 has an inline citation to an offline source and seems satisfactory to me. Rest of the review as per The C of E. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)