Template:Did you know nominations/Matsumoto Masanobu


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The result was: promoted by sstflyer 06:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

First hook promoted.

Matsumoto Masanobu

 * ... that Matsumoto Masanobu created the Kashima Shin-ryū style of swordfighting after being visited in a dream by the god Takemikazuchi?


 * ALT1:... that Matsumoto Masanobu killed more than one hundred men during his military career?
 * Reviewed: Robert McLachlan (cinematographer)

Created by Yunshui (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article was old enough when nominated and is still new enough. Inline citations are used thorough, many of them are only partially accessible. Others appear to fit their conclusions (save for one name which I've corrected). No copyright violations or plagiarism detected. Both hooks are concise enough, but the first one is a mite misleading: It's one legend out of two mentioned ones that states that possibility. Prefer the ALT hook thus, also it seems more interesting to me. QPQ is done. My only question is, is the declarative tone of the hooks appropriate? This topic seems to be at the limit between history and legend and if memory serves, the historical record from ancient Japanese times is often fairly ambiguous in this regard.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources (with regards to the number of men he killed) appear to report the figures as fact: 25 "notable warrors" and 76 "men of lesser ability" (it's cited to Hurst, but the figure appears in a couple of the other sources too). This sort of head counting was pretty standard fare on feudal Japan, they kept extensive records of it, so it seems just as likely to be true as any other facet of his life. I therefore don't see the problem with making the ALT1 hook a declarative statement. As regards the original hook, who's going to misconstrue it as a statement of historical fact in its current form? Do you really think readers will see the hook as-is and assume that there really must be a Shinto god of thunder who teaches people to swordfight in their dreams? Yunshui 雲 水 22:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg OK, Imma approve the second hook as more interesting. If whoever approves this one finds the first hook better they can pick that one, though. In retrospect, my concern about tone was somewhat silly, I have to admit. AGF tick because on my end Google Books does not display everything.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)