Template:Did you know nominations/Menace from the Moon (1925 novel)


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Menace from the Moon (1925 novel)

 * ... that in Menace from the Moon (1925) a lunar colony—‌founded 1654 by a Dutchman, an Englishman, an Italian, and "their women"—‌promises Earth heat-ray doom unless it helps them escape their dying world?
 * Reviewed: Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Little Pine Creek (Luzerne and Columbia Counties, Pennsylvania)

Created by EEng (talk). Self nominated at 03:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg QPQ bye. This article is new enough and long enough. The connection of the image to the book, is a little oblique, but is in the public domain. The hook fact, and the rest of the article, is cited to a book that is not available online. The article seems perfectly reasonably neutral, but unable compare with the original text. Article very well supported by additional sources. Unfortunate that the author, Bohun Lynch, has no article yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it. A boxer in his youth, Lynch also penned Prominent Pugilists of To Day (1914), The Complete Boxer (1914—‌presumably a companion to The Complete Gentleman, 1916), Knuckles and Gloves (1923) and other manly works (as well as biography and criticism of Max Beerbohm). I've been wondering whether his interest in Wilkins' Real Character was prompted by this challenge from Augustus De Morgan: "One man may construct such a system—‌Bishop Wilkins has done it—‌but where is the man who will learn it? The second tongue makes a language, as the second blow makes a fray." (A Budget of Paradoxes, 1872).
 * Somewhere else De Morgan wrote, "Population increases so fast that a larger earth will be wanted in time, unless emigration to the Moon can be managed, a proposal of which it surprises me that Bishop Wilkins has a monopoly" -- these guys were so amusing. But the driest and funniest of the references I know to Wilkins' idea of flying to the moon is in a letter by Horace Walpole, in which he related watching some people (whom he termed airgonauts) go up in a balloon (an activity he termed airgonation -- you'll recall a dustup over this word at TDYK a while back). Anyway, he says that in musing about this, "I discovered an alliance between Bishop Wilkins's art of flying and his plan of universal language; the latter of which he no doubt calculated to prevent the want of an interpreter when he should arrive at the moon."
 * EEng (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg This article does not satisfy MOS:NOVELS, as it consists of two paragraphs of Synopsis and one paragraph of Reception. An important section, according to MOS:NOVELS, is a discussion of Themes, and a Character list would also be nice. Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Approval should also wait until the QPQ is submitted. Yoninah (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * QPQ done now. MOS compliance (and especially not compliance with subject-area-specific bits of MOS) isn't a requirement for DYK. If you're questioning notability, the article lists a half-dozen sources which discuss the book substantively (if not extensively -- but that's not required either). EEng (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think a 4-paragraph article about a novel, consisting of 2 paragraphs of Synopsis and one paragraph of Reception, is complete per D7. We send back articles about albums with more text than this. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I take it we're agreed that the aspirations of WP:NOVEL aren't required to be met for DYK purposes. As to D7, what it says is
 * There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress. Therefore, articles which include unexpanded headers are likely to be rejected. Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected. For example, an article about a book that fails to summarize the book's contents, but contains only a bio of the author and some critics' views, is likely to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive.
 * The article indeed summarizes the novel's contents (I've added a spoiler spilling the beans as to how this nailbiter turns out), and does include some critics' views. (A bio of the author doesn't normally belong in an article on a book.) It's just an accident that D7 uses a book-article as an example, but the article does indeed meet its sketchy requirements. EEng (talk) 05:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fleshing out the Synopsis. I agree that the article is start-class now. However, it is an orphan without links to any other Wikipedia articles. Should it be linked in The First Men in the Moon or in H. G. Wells bibliography? Yoninah (talk) 10:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Obviously also link in a newly created Bohun Lynch? (... and this way we can keep EEng busy in a never-ending sequence of orphan repairs, bwaaahahaha!!) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Article now has 16 different outgoing wiki-links. Incoming link added at Moon in fiction. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Have also added at The First Men in the Moon, although it was one of many, So perhaps we can "call it a day" lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a minor (very minor) work which I can't see being linked from either of the articles you mention. Perhaps some science-fiction fan, reading the hook, will be inspired to expand the article and add appropriate links. In the meantime, are you agreeable to ME123's approval? EEng (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Fine, thanks. All issues resolved. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)