Template:Did you know nominations/Mike Cottell


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Mike Cottell

 * ... that whilst constructing the M4 motorway Mike Cottell brought his four- and six-year-old sons to site?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/St Peter's Church, Formby

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self nominated at 16:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC).
 * Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough. But the hook fact is not hooky.  My father worked in construction and took me and my brothers to his work sites quite often when we were young.  The obituary doesn't indicate there was anything treacherous or unusual about the M4 work site that made it odd, surprising, or interesting that his sons were taken there. Rather, the source just notes that his sons recalled visiting the site but did not grow up to be engineers like their father.  This is not an effective hook.  Please try to come up with a better hook, and we can take another look at this. Cbl62 (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Amen. Dad took his sons to work one day. Wow. What's sad about this article, in its current state, is that it plays into the popular idea that engineers lead lives of exemplary dullness. Surely this guy did something that wouldn't put an entire dinner party to sleep within three sentences. How about the early use of computers -- can you find out something about that? EEng (talk) 04:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article somewhat. How about one of the following? - Dumelow (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT1 - ... that as president of the Institution of Civil Engineers Mike Cottell advocated the banning of heavy goods vehicles from unclassified roads?
 * ALT2 - ... that a computer program developed by Mike Cottell in 1970 was still being as part of a highways design package as late as 1999?
 * ALT3 - ... that Mike Cottell has been described as one of the main contributors to computer aided design?


 * ALT4 ... that civil engineer Mike Cottell was an early contributor to computer aided design, and software he developed in 1970 was still in use thirty years later? EEng (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Review needed. EEng (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. ALT1 is unsuitable because the hook and article are both inaccurate as Cottell actually opposed the proposed ban. Of the others I prefer ALT4, which has inline citations which are accepted in good faith. I detected no policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)