Template:Did you know nominations/Mike McCray


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Mike McCray

 * ... that Mike McCray had two career tackles before his first career start, which resulted in him being Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sula megapode (3rd of 4 QPQs)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 13:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC).


 * I assume there's a "player of the week" every week, so why in the world is interesting?  E Eng  19:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It might be a record for the least experienced athlete to win the award. It is an astounding feat to win the award with so little experience.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The general reader won't realize that. Is there some way to rewrite the hook to bring that out?  E Eng  02:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If this sentence was sourced, maybe - ALT1 "...that Mike McCray, an American football linebacker for the Michigan Wolverines for the 2016 team,  is sometimes referred to as Big Play McCray?". I'm not entirely sure what sports topics are considered interesting, but I thought I would add a suggestion. SL93 (talk) 21:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, at least it rhymes.  E Eng  21:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd support the nickname if it had more google hits and did not seem to be more associated with another athlete (Lerentee McCray).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Striking ALT1 due to the issues mentioned above. TonyTheTiger, can you please revise the original hook along the lines suggested by EEng? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what is suggesting I do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, you said that his player-of-the-week award was unusual for such an inexperienced player. Can you rewrite ALT0 to make that clear? Unfortunately I don't understand football at all so I can't help with that.  E Eng  17:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , I have expanded the hook (it is still only 174 characters).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT2 ... that Mike McCray had two career tackles before his first career start, which, despite his inexperience, resulted in him being Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you quote the source, especially on the "despite inexperience" bit?  E Eng  15:13, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have sources. First start and two career tackles are prima facie evidence. It would be like if a police officer pulled over an 18 year old with a one day old license and then asked the kid if he was really making a first time mistake. WP:RS is for facts likely to be challenged. If you have never started and have only two career tackles, you can't have much experience.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:20, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Then you'll need to come up with a new wording. McCray played in 11 games in 2014, and blocked a punt in his first outing that year. He was on the injured list in 2015, and is a senior this year. "Inexperience" is your characterization. You might want to try that he was named Defensive Player of the Week on his first start, even though he'd only had two previous career tackles. (You could also mention that he's a linebacker.) BlueMoonset (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT3 ... that linebacker Mike McCray was named Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week for his first career start although he had only made two previous career tackles?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Reciting "first career start" and "two previous career tackles" seems unnecessarily wordy. How about a slightly shorter and punchier alt:
 * * ALT4 ... that Michigan linebacker Mike McCray was named Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week for his first career start? Cbl62 (talk) 21:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but they are not redundant facts. I would argue that you made it punchier by making a one-two punch into a one punch.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT5 ... that although he had only made two previous career tackles, linebacker Mike McCray was named Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week for his first career start? Zupotachyon Ping me (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to take a look at this and check the remaining ALT hooks and render an opinion on the remaining hooks in terms of interest and wordiness. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ done, created one day before nomination. No copyvio reported by Earwig tool. Long enough and well-sourced, particularly the hook. On that note, I think ALT4 best meets the second criterion, regarding broad audience. It is certainly cited and neutral. C679 18:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by promote this, and I am aware of WP:LIMITED, but I wonder if there is another way to quote these statistics without using the same verbs?
 * Source: compiled 460 yards on 28 catches and nine touchdowns and totaled 86 tackles with five interceptions and three defensive touchdowns as a junior ... caught 19 passes for 369 yards and four scores and tallied 121 tackles with 2.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and two interceptions as a senior
 * Article: As a junior, he totaled 460 yards on 28 catches and nine touchdowns and totaled 86 tackles with five interceptions and three defensive touchdowns. As a senior in 2012, he caught 19 passes for 369 yards and four scores and tallied 121 tackles with 2.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and two interceptions.
 * Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment as far as I'm aware, the only non-terminology words in that excerpt are: "totaled" and "tallied". I have reworded the article to remove these. Per LIMITED, "the article merely presents standard facts for a topic like this in standard sequence" which "should...be acceptable". C679 23:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, that is exactly what I had in mind. Thank you. Restoring tick per your review. Yoninah (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2016 (UTC)