Template:Did you know nominations/Millennial Praises


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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 02:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Millennial Praises

 * ... that Millennial Praises was the first Shaker hymn book published and it had no music tunes to go with any of the hymns?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Richard Slevin

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 12:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC).
 * ALT1 ... that Millennial Praises was the first Shaker hymn book published and it had no music songs to go with any of the hymns?
 * ALT2 ... that Millennial Praises was the first Shaker hymn book published and it had no music to go with any of the hymns?


 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, created day of nomination. Long enough by twice.  No POV detected, and each paragraph cited by inline citations using reliable sources.  The hook is within formatting parameters, and is interesting (music without music.)  The hook facts are directly attributable to the cited sources, and is neutral.  QPQ complete.  No image to check against.  I prefer the original hook over either of the ALTs.  They each present the same information, but I find the original to most clearly present the information.  Ready and deserving of mainpage exposure.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:40, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The article needs a copyedit for English grammar before it can go to the main page. There must be a typo in here: The book hymns of monophonic spiritual songs of the same tune tempo were about Christ, God, love, praise, work and growth of their communities. Sentences such as The idea for the hymn book came about to recruit more people because of the western expansion of the Shakers from New York need rewriting, and much of the Description is chatty rather than encyclopedic. Yoninah (talk) 23:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Did the improvements you suggested.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Thank you. I went through the article myself and did a thorough copyedit. I only double-checked a couple of sources, so please check to see that I wrote the information correctly. Since a book cannot present "tunes", I assume that you're referring to musical notation. Perhaps you would consider something more hooky, such as:
 * ALT3: ... that the hymns printed in the first Shaker hymn book convey the idea that males and females are equal?
 * ALT4: ... that the first hymn in the first Shaker hymn book reflects the Shaker belief that God is both male and female? Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the improvements. I double-checked the sources and they are correct. Yes, your suggested hooks sound good, so struck mine above.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. New reviewer needed for ALTs 3 & 4. Yoninah (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * ALT5: ... that Millennial Praises was the first Shaker hymn book published and it had no music notation to go with any of the 140 hymns? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How can a book contain musical tunes? Unless it's one of those musical greeting cards implanted with a chip. . Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I see your point. Changed it to music notation.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough and in general meets DYK requirements as noted by 78.26 above. ALT3, ALT4 and ALT5 all have inline citations to reliable sources and any could be used, but perhaps we should go with ALT5 as being equivalent to the original hook chosen by the nominator. It has the advantage over the other two that I am able to verify the hook facts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:30, 20 July 2015 (UTC)