Template:Did you know nominations/Monument to the Founders of Kyiv

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 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

{{DYK conditions}} {{DYK header|Monument to the Founders of Kyiv}} {{DYK nompage links|nompage=Monument to the Founders of Kyiv|Monument to the Founders of Kyiv}} {{main page image/DYK|image=Украинские 1000 карбованцев. Аверс. 1992 (cropped).jpg|caption=Monument to the Founders of Kyiv, on a Ukrainian banknote}} Created by dying (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 4 December 2022 (UTC). {{small|[removed image due to wp:fop. dying (talk) 08:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)]}} {{small|[added image in the public domain. dying (talk) 10:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)]}} {{small|[replaced image with cropped version. dying (talk) 23:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)]}} }}
 * ... that after being made of reinforced concrete to conform with orders from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the Monument to the Founders of Kyiv (depicted) partially collapsed? Source: https://archive.today/20221127230509/https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/monument-to-kyiv-founders-to-be-restored-by-city-d-60446.html
 * Reviewed: Imam Munandar
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 * comments    = No QPQ required as this submission is their 5th DYK. Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral and plagiarism free. The article is well sourced, but many of the citations need to be expanded - nine just have a title "archive.ph" but actually lead to different sources. Please could you fill in the references more fully?
 * sign        = Lajmmoore (talk) 06:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * whoops! {{diff2|1126987137|done}}.  sorry, {{u|Lajmmoore}}!  dying (talk) 08:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fixes, good to go Lajmmoore (talk) 09:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * {{u|dying}} and {{u|Lajmmoore}}, Ukraine doesn't have freedom of panorama; is the statue itself public domain? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * whoops! i had known that en wikipedia followed u.s. copyright law regardless of the fop laws of other countries, but had forgotten that this did not allow the free use of images of sculptures.  the monument was completed in 1982, so i do not believe its copyright has expired yet.  i have removed the image from the hook.  thanks for catching that, {{u|theleekycauldron}}!  dying (talk) 08:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC){{pb}}
 * it has just occurred to me that ukrainian banknotes are considered in the public domain, so i am assuming that an image of one featuring the monument should be suitable for a dyk hook. is this correct, {{u|theleekycauldron}}?  assuming that it is, i have added the image of one such banknote to the hook.  note that i have used "(depicted)" as per {{diff2|1072638989|this diff}} on wp:errors regarding {{diff2|1072638853|a tfa blurb}}, but am unfamiliar with whether dyk follows this practice.  {{u|Lajmmoore}}, i do not know if an altered hook has to be approved by the original reviewer, but am pinging you just in case.{{pb}}Symbol possible vote.svg promoters, please note that the newly added image has not been approved.  dying (talk) 10:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks {{u|theleekycauldron}} - I didn't know that about Ukraine. It occurs to me {{u|dying}} that perhaps the image might work better if the monument is cropped from the banknote - that might make it clearer to viewers? Happy to approve the revised hook. Lajmmoore (talk) 11:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * {{u|Lajmmoore}}, i had the same thought about cropping the image, but i admittedly have yet to figure out how to create a new image file that is a cropped version of an existing one, and i had felt that the aspect ratio of the uncropped image allowed for a longer caption without making it look cluttered. however, since you also feel that the hook might be improved with a crop, i made a mock-up of how it might look like cropped, using a css-based template and a rough estimate of the size the dyk image template would use for the cropped image.  (the css-based template used here automagically frames the image, though the frame obviously wouldn't appear on the main page.)  i shortened the caption so that it wouldn't take up five lines (or more), and it turned out better than i had envisioned.  what are your thoughts?  if you prefer the cropped version, i can submit a request at the graphics lab.  dying (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that looks good, and eve if it isn't used in the DYK ultimately, it will still be useful for the page overall. Lajmmoore (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

{{main page image/DYK|image=Украинские 1000 карбованцев. Аверс. 1992 (cropped).jpg|caption=Monument to the Founders of Kyiv, on a Ukrainian banknote}}
 * {{U|Auguel}} has completed your request to create this cropped version of the image.    M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M    21:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * {{u|Lajmmoore}}, thanks to {{u|Auguel}}'s {{diff2|1127820471|help at the graphics lab}}, i have now replaced the image in the hook with a cropped version. please let me know if there's anything else that i may have missed.  thanks!  dying (talk) 23:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * {{ok}} Thanks very much {{u|Dying}} and {{u|Auguel}}}, looks good to me, and I've struck through the question on the image above Lajmmoore (talk) 12:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment : I like it. I've been trying to figure out a way to add some humor to the hook, perhaps by mentioning that the collapse happened 1528 years after Kyiv was founded.  It isn't coming together for me, but I'll keep it in mind.  Anyway, I do like it. Radzy0 (talk) 00:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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