Template:Did you know nominations/Musheirifa Musmus Salim, Ma'ale Iron Zalafa, Ma'ale Iron


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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Musheirifa, Zalafa, Ma'ale Iron

 * ..that Musheirifa, Musmus, Salem (pictured) and Zalafa are four of the villages making up Ma'ale Iron?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tarquin and Lucretia (Titian)

Created/expanded by Bolter21 (talk) and Huldra (talk). Nominated by Huldra (talk) at 23:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC).
 * Comment; since this is a nomination of 4 different articles in one DYK, note that they were started/expanded on different days, Huldra (talk) 23:36, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * According to this guideline (WP:DYKSG), further QPQ reviews are required for the other three articles included in the hook. As there is a backlog of about 150 unreviewed nominations, I don't think I can overlook this requirement.
 * Symbol question.svg These four articles are long enough. They are all nominated soon enough except for Musmus, which appears to have been worked on since 9th April, but I don't think we need be too concerned about that. The image is appropriately licensed. The hook facts have inline citations and the articles seem neutral to me. Many of the citations are to sources unavailable to me or in Israeli, however I do not believe there are any copyright issues with the articles. This nomination will be good to go when the remaining QPQs have been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, reviewed Dark Spirit's Rebel, Sally Brampton and Shriya Pilgaonkar Huldra (talk) 22:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Pinging Cwmhiraeth to finish the review now that QPQs have been done. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Sorry for the delay, I had the nomination on my watchlist but it slipped through unobserved. With all four QPQs done, this nomination is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:59, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Given the duplication of content between articles, Musheirifa is currently short of original prose. I would also strongly recommend that all of the articles be copyedited. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Nikkimaria Since neither Bolter21, nor I, have English as our mother tongue, I strongly welcome any copyediting by native speakers. As for content; I´m sorry, I don´t see that Musheirifa is too short? Huldra (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * When content is repeated from one article to another, it doesn't count towards the minimum size. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Watching: in a similar case, long ago, I reviewed three nature parks with similar content, resolved as bolding only one of them and mention the others as normal links, in the hope that being mentioned on the main page (even without bolding) would get them attention. It worked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, from what I can see: what is similar is the 1948/9-info. And it is difficult to do anything with that, as the villages had the same destiny then. As for the other similarities; yes, we use the same half dozen sources for virtually all the Arab/Palestinian places: the 1596-daftar, Guérin, the Palestine Exploration Fund's 1882 Survey of Western Palestine, the 1922, 1931 & 1945 population data, etc. The data for for each place differs, though (obviously).  Huldra (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Nikkimaria -User:Gerda Arendt User:Cwmhiraeth if Nikkimaria agrees, we could just remove Musheirifa, and go with the rest? Huldra (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems a good option, leaving it in the hook unbolded as suggested by Gerda. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Cwmhiraeth ok, so:


 * ALT1: ... that Musheirifa, Musmus, Salem (pictured) and Zalafa are four of the villages making up Ma'ale Iron?
 * is a hook that should be acceptable for everyone? Alternatively:

Huldra (talk) 23:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that Musmus, Salem (pictured) and Zalafa are three  of the villages making up Ma'ale Iron?
 * I formated them a bit, and offer another, - we don't have to keep them by alphabet, I guess:
 * ALT3: ... that Salem (pictured), Musmus, Zalafa and Musheirifa are four of the villages making up Ma'ale Iron? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That is fine with me! Huldra (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I copyedited all four articles. Musmus 5x expansion verified; Musheirifa, Salem, and Zalafa created within 7 days of nomination. While all the articles repeat several sentences, I understand that Musheirifa is not long enough without those copied sentences to meet the 1500-character count per Rule A5. My only question is whether the hook is hooky enough. It might be more interesting to cite their history/connection to Umm al-Fahm, which is probably more well-known, or to mention residency by clans. Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Yoninah: I think they all had different relationship with Umm al-Fahm, i.e. difficult to say anything about them all. But what about:
 * ALT4: ... that Salem (pictured), Musmus, Zalafa, and Musheirifa are four of the Arab villages making up the Israeli local council of Ma'ale Iron? Huldra (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg OK, thanks. Foreign-language hook ref for all 4 articles AGF (though I can read Hebrew) and cited inline in each article. Rest of review per Cwmhiraeth. ALT4 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:59, 18 June 2016 (UTC)