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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Nani Alapai

 * ... that the voice of Hawaiian soprano Nani Alapai (pictured) was compared to singing snail? Source:
 * ALT1: ... that the voice of Hawaiian soprano Nani Alapai (pictured), who popularized the song "Aloha ʻOe", was compared to singing snails?
 * ALT2: ... that Hawaiian soprano Nani Alapai (pictured) recorded the song "Aloha ʻOe" for Columbia Records?
 * Reviewed: Saturday Night! – The Album
 * Comment: Prefer to go with ALT0 because of the quickness of the "singing snails"

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 07:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Interesting life, on mostly good sources, well illustrated! Can you perhaps put ref 4 to external links, as it's named a blog? You still have 5 and 6 for the same fact. The few offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious, great licensed image. - Minor questions: "Contemporary newspaper account described how her sweet voice enchanted ..." - is that one paper? Then can you put the ref right there? - "final wife" sounds strange to me, and the description of Kahauanu Lake is too long to come before the name. Please read it all once more for little things like "grant" instead of "granted". - Hooks: thank you for offering three. ALT2 is comparatively boring, and the others raise the question: can a voice be compared to a snail? - General question: which source calls her a soprano? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ref Ka Bana Alii Hawaii O Ke Kalana O Oahu (4 in your case but numbers are now shuffled) is citing the newspaper account not the blog; the blog just helps translate the Hawaiian so the reader doesn't have to AGF on the translation. I don't know Hawaiian either so that site helps translate. Also all three references in that paragraph describes her performance in Portland in some manner, so changing to plural. Understand that as it looks the information in that paragraph is cited by all the references at the end... Changed to wife and removed HMHF before Lake. Also as for the soprano description, Bandy 1990 notes "Madame Nane [sic] Alapai, the soprano of the Royal Hawaiian Band..." and a lot of the other sources already used mentions this as well. It seems to be a common way to describe her.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * So explaining the singing snails bit. She was described in Hawaiian language newspapers in 1906 as "Ke Kahuli Leole'a O Ka Bana Hawaii" or "The Happy-Voiced Kahuli of the Hawaiian Band". Ref ("Ua Holo Aku La Ka Bana Hawaii") notes "Kahuli are the famous singing land shells which are often used to describe sweet-voiced singers" and Kahuli is the Hawaiian name for the Oʻahu tree snails, which according to Hawaiian language can sing and vocalize . The concept of singing snails would be interesting in a hook.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * --KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, learning. So far I met soprano only for operatic singing, like that of Erna Ellmenreich. I like the concept of the singing snails, but think the woman's voice can be compared to the snail's voices, or the woman to the snails, but not her voice to the snails. Am I too picky? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ps: I recommend to use a piped link to Oʻahu tree snail to clarify the "singing" of the snails. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Are you suggesting something like:


 * ALT3: ... that the Hawaiian soprano Nani Alapai (pictured) was compared to singing snails?
 * ALT4: ... that the Hawaiian soprano Nani Alapai (pictured), who popularized the song "Aloha ʻOe", was compared to singing snails?


 * Symbol voting keep.svg yes, thank you. I added an "s" to ALT3 (as in ALT4), understanding that she isn't compared to a single snail, but her singing to the (perceived) music of several. Correct that please if I'm wrong. ALT3 preferred! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)