Template:Did you know nominations/National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels


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The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels

 * ... that the National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels is known as the Malacañang Church?
 * ALT1:... that the National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels is the only church in the world dedicated to the seven archangels?
 * ALT2: ... that despite its proximity to Malacañang Palace, at least two Philippine president attended mass at the National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels?

Created by Hannachiever07 (talk). Nominated by Carlojoseph14 (talk) at 15:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Long and new enough, no copyright problems found. No QPQ needed as this isn't a self-nom (this is still the rule? I presume so.) Hook problems though. Exceptional claims on articles about Philippine churches need to be taken with a large grain of salt, even when sourced to seemingly reliable sources, I have noticed on other similar articles (we have a flood of these ones at the moment apparently).
 * Hook is not in the source, and I couldn't find a reliable source for it. Quite a few unreliable sources, many of them parroting each other though.
 * Alt1 seems very dubious, I have no idea why e.g. this church wouldn't count as a church dedicated to the seven archangels. The source claims it is the only "shrine", not the only "church" though.
 * Alt2 is not correct, the source states "at least two", not "only two". Fram (talk) 13:22, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Struck proposed Hook and ALT1. Modified ALT2.--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 15:14, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review required for ALT2. Fuebaey (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Modified Alt2 makes absolutely no sense, "despite being close to the presidential palace, at least two presidents went here"? Fram (talk) 08:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposing new hooks:
 * ALT3: ... that although a Protestant, Philippine president Fidel V. Ramos attended mass at the National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels?
 * ALT4:... that the National Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels is the only church in the Philippines that holds the sacrament of confirmation twice a week?
 * ALT5: ... that the remains of Archbishop Gabriel Reyes, Manila's first Filipino archibishop was first entombed in theNational Shrine of Saint Michael and the Archangels?

--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Review needed for new ALT hooks (ALT2 has been struck). Fram, how are these? BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't there a limit on the number of incorrect hooks that anyone may propose? Anyway, AlT4 seems to be correct (I couldn't find a contradictory claim in a cursory search). AlT3 is trivial, it is not that unusual for Christians to attend mass at another denomination once in a while, and certainly when you have some position where you have to represent all of your country. AlT5 seems to be correct, but it isn't clear to me for how long it was there (very temporarily until the definitive resting place was ready, or for twenty years, or ...?) So we don't know whether this was really noteworthy or not. Alt4 seems to best of the pack. Fram (talk) 19:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Fram, I've struck ALT3 and ALT5 per your comments, but as you're the reviewer, it's up to you to give this nomination an approval tick, or point out any remaining issues with the appropriate icon if there are some. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I wasn't aware that whoever started the review was supposed to be the only one that could finish it. I wouldn't have objected if someone else ticked it off... Fram (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)