Template:Did you know nominations/Neal Howard


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Neal Howard

 * ... that Neal Howard debut EP contained mixes by Bad Boy Bill, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson?


 * Comment: A massive gamble creating this article since the interview is hosted by a blog.
 * Comment: A massive gamble creating this article since the interview is hosted by a blog.

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 23:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC).
 * Symbol question.svg My first DYK review, so please get a second opinion. No QPQ. The article has a single (bare URL) reference which is not allowed in DYK articles. The article is long and new enough, but needs a few more reliable sources to establish notability (the one charting single is enough to establish notability for that song, but not for the artist also). Further, I personally don't think a DYK article should have red wikilinks so would advise removal of those. Some of the language is not encyclopaedic, such as "who showed him the ropes" and this needs tightening. Song titles should be "quoted"; EP titles should be in italics. The release of the EP by Future Sounds needs its own reference. Finally....I don't think the hook is very interesting, it's a bit discography-esque. A better hook from that article, for me, would be:
 * ALT1: ... that according to Neal Howard people in Rockford would hook up the cable from their TVs to their radios or receivers to listen to Chicago stations?
 * Dennisthemonkeychild (talk) 10:09, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You have your notability guidelines mixed up: Any artist who has a hit record is notable per WP:MUSICBIO; According to WP:NSONGS, "Notability aside, a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album". Red links are encouraged in articles per WP:RED. All issues between "Some of the language" and "its own reference" have been fixed, though that hook is not a good one (it doesn't tempt people into wanting to know who Neal Howard is - a fact about the subject of the linked article is usually better). Which reference was you referring to when you said that one of them was bare?-- Laun  chba  ller  20:32, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No, no bare URLs after all, apologies. The red link thing is just personal preference. Like I said, I'm new to the whole reviewing thing and would like a second opinion in any case. PS - There is no talk page for the article as yet either.Dennisthemonkeychild (talk) 09:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * good you noticed the talk page. Articles that are rated stub-class are not preferred for DYK per Rule D11, but since this is up to start-class, I updated the ratings. Many page creators don't input their own ratings, so it's okay for you to do it when you review the article. Right now the page also lacks categories, which should be noted on the review and filled in by the page creator before approval. Yoninah (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I copied the talk page from Derrick May changing the birthplace from Chicago to Illinois. I have no experience in creating talk pages since other users seem to make doing so a job... I've added two categories.-- Laun  chba  ller  17:07, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

New review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written. I appreciate your candor about the sources, Launchballer, but I would not call this reliably sourced. Aside from the blog, aren't there any other media reports about him? If you are able to beef up the sources, a QPQ is also needed. Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. The media were contemptuous of acid house then and still are, and so preferred to write about illegal raves and overdoses. That, literally, is the biggest source on the web. You get occasional bios like this one but they are seriously few and far between. I'll have a look in my local library on the off chance they have anything there but I highly doubt it.-- Laun  chba  ller  10:58, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Only one bloody book mentions him in one of the biggest libraries in south London. How's it look now?-- Laun  chba  ller  16:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for going the extra mile and finding that encyclopedia listing, as well as the two blog interviews. IMO this qualifies for a start-class article. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Now all that's needed is a QPQ. Yoninah (talk) 18:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Done.-- Laun  chba  ller  21:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)