Template:Did you know nominations/No. 106 Squadron IAF


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

No. 106 Squadron IAF

 * ... that the Canberras of No. 106 Squadron IAF flew photo-reconnaissance missions to Gwadar, Karakorum Highway, Longewala, Tangail, Jessore, Chittagong and Cox's Bazaar during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971?


 * Reviewed: White Oak Run (Lackawanna River)

5x expanded by AshLin (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svgle nominated on the 7th day after creation, so still considered new. Long enough at 3137 characters.
 * Review verified for White Oak Run (Lackawanna River).
 * The text needs a little bit of work as it uses acronyms which are not explained or linked (e.g., NRSA) as well as abbreviations instead of full words (e.g., "sqn", "Wg Cdr", ). There are also one or two parts where it is not neutrally worded (e.g., "...desperately sought to avoid destruction...").
 * ✅, removed abbreviations & POV text, please confirm that the text is neutral now. I'd be happy to rewrite any parts inadvertantly missed out.
 * Looks better now. Thanks ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Citation #5 needs to be split up so you can cite specific pages so the hook can be verified. The book cited is about 150pp, so it's impossible to know where to look in the book to find the information without doing a lot of extra work.
 * ✅, page numbers added using the template.
 * Looks better now. Thanks ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The hook isn't really interesting. The list of mission locations is too long, and planes flying missions in 1971 is just not that interesting unless there is something unique about the missions. After reading the article, I don't have a good suggestion for an alternate hook. The missions described in the article are pretty mundane (or at least par for the course when it comes to missions like these). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 08:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Point well taken, the missions actually spanned the geographical limits of the warring nations - Gwadar to the west on the Mekran coast of Pakistan, Karakorum mountains border Chinese Sinkiang, while Cox's Bazaar is at the south-eastern tip of Bangladesh. Two alts are placed below for consideration please :
 * ALT 1 - ... that the Canberras of No. 106 Squadron IAF flew photo-reconnaissance missions to Gwadar, Karakorum Highway, and Cox's Bazaar during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, thus spanning the entire war zone? Not checked Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything in the article stating "thus spanning the entire war zone". This needs to be in the article and referenced to be in the hook. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT 2 - ... that despite having only seven operational aircraft, No. 106 Squadron IAF was awarded a total of ten gallantry awards, including two Maha Vir Chakras and four Vir Chakras, during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971? Not checked Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything in the article stating they were awarded ten gallantry medals. The article lists at least 12 medals or awards (and maybe one or two more, based on some of the other text). The hook should be consistent with the sourced information in the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

, may please review the changes made. AshLin (talk) 04:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comments left above. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I no longer have access to the source till August 2015 (owned by some one else), hence I request withdrawal of the DYK. Thanks for reviewing, AshLin (talk) 14:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you lost access to the source. Is there any way to find another copy of it? I would hate for you to lose out on the DYK because of that. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:29, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'm in Kolkata shifting in August to Pune, then I get access to it again. Is such a long wait acceptable? AshLin (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure. We may need someone else to comment on that. DYK has their own little way of doing things which is not all that easy to figure out. Anyone else want to comment on this? ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Reading through the review, the only issue here seems to be the hook. I've striken the original hook because I agree that it's a bit bland. Gbooks gives me access to Benegal's memoir, for which the section highlighted in ALT1 is not supported (it mentions the three locations near the end of the book, just not that it spans the entire war zone). I suppose it could be rephrased to state that it encompassed both fronts (East and West Pakistan) during the war, which is mentioned as covering enemy targets in both the western and eastern sectors. For the latter part of ALT2, the last page of his book states: In all, the squadron received one Maha Vir Chakra, four Vir Chakras, four Vayu Sena Medals and four AOC-in-C's commendations, which assuming they were all awarded for gallantry gives 9 medals and 4 commendations. I'm unsure about the beginning of ALT2, since the source doesn't state that the squadron only had seven aircraft. It mentions The 106 Squadron Canberra flight (it has a flight of H.S. 748 "Avro" PR modified aircraft as well) with just five aircraft and no trainer would more often than not fly more hours than the Canberra bomber squadrons which had 16 bombers and 2 trainers and the two that were subsequently added in 1971 prior to the war. So I'd propose:
 * ALT 3: ... that the Canberras of No. 106 Squadron IAF flew photo-reconnaissance missions to Gwadar and Cox's Bazaar during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, spanning both war fronts in East and West Pakistan? Not checked Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT 4: ... that the No. 106 Squadron IAF was awarded a total of nine gallantry medals, including a Maha Vir Chakra and four Vir Chakras, during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971? Fuebaey (talk) 00:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with either of those, though I lean toward ALT4. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 17:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT4 checked out. All other aspects discussed above. Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)