Template:Did you know nominations/North Bastion

North Bastion, Gibraltar, South Bastion

 * ... that Gibraltar's North Bastion and South Bastion were built by Spain to protect the city against attacks from either direction?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rhopalomyces elegans

Created/expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Prioryman (talk) at 21:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/GibraltarPediA Options, Gibraltar-related articles are temporarily being reviewed by two individuals. In addition to the regular DYK criteria, at least one reviewer should also indicate whether they perceive any conflict of interest or promotional concerns about the article under review.IP addresses and Victuallers are not allowed to do the reviews.


 * Review 1:
 * Symbol question.svg The North Bastion article passes all criteria of newness, length etc. It is non-promotional, well sourced and acceptable for DYK. The South Bastion article is similarly new enough, well sourced and neutral but I don't believe it is long enough. It contains two lengthy quotations which are not counted by the "page size" tool which gives the size as 1237 bytes. Maybe I am wrong here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right - the quotes do not count (although they really give the meat of the article). I have added some material bringing South Bastion up to  2207 characters (378 words) "readable prose size", excluding the quotes. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:42, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg All the DYK criteria now met. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Review 2:
 * Symbol question.svg Both articles pass for length, citations, and neutrality. The articles are well written and don't have any paraphrasing concerns. The first part of the hook checks out (that the bastions were built by Spain), but the second part of the hook doesn't. I don't see it mentioned in the articles that they were built to protect the city from attacks from either direction. Maybe that's just self-apparent and I'm just being picky, but if it's that self-apparent the hook could perhaps be a bit more interesting. Gibraltar is an oddly shaped land mass, and it strikes me that fortifications in the north could defend against another direction as well (as could fortifications in the south). If someone else disagrees with my concerns, feel free to check this and send it through. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe you got confused a bit by the hook here. From what I gathered by reading your statement, and viewing the map of Gibraltar, it appears that there are two Bastions protecting Gibraltar, one from the Northern (Spanish) side and the other from the Southern (African) side, which happen to be the only/main two sides from where it can be attacked. By building these two bastions, you protect the country from either side. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg That makes sense. Good to go then. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)