Template:Did you know nominations/Nuestra Señora de Candelaria Parish Church (Mabitac)


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Nuestra Señora de Candelaria Parish Church (Mabitac)

 * ... that the Mabitac Church (pictured) was damaged during the 1880 Luzon earthquakes and 1937 earthquake?

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 17:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ bye, DKYcheck, newness, hook and cites all pass. Good to go as-is. However, if I may be so bold...
 * ALT1:: ... that the Mabitac Church (pictured) is known for its panoramic view, but you have to climb 126 steps to see it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maury Markowitz (talk • contribs) 11:02, 18 September 2014‎ (UTC)
 * No problem, I think it is more interesting. :) Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg source cited in footnote 6 doesn't look reliable to me. Footnote 5 also looks iffy. It's a site hosted on blogspot that claims to be a government National Registry. Has anyone established that it really was created by a government institution? How about footnote 8? What makes that source reliable? The article also needs copyediting.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Footnote 5 is the official historic registry of the National Historical Commission of the Philippines, although it is hosted at blogspot. It is an official government site. Footnote 8 is an online news portal for Manila Bulletin, a Philippine newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlojoseph14 (talk • contribs)
 * Thank you for those clarifications. What about fn 6? Also, which source describes the panoramic view? Fn 1, which follows the claim does not mention the view. Fn 2 is a full-length book, so you should really give the page numbers you got the information from. Carabinieri (talk) 15:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Issues resolved! :) I would like to propose a new ALT --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Hi, this is my first DYK review, so I don't feel qualified to close off the discussion. The facts in the hook are both referenced, the article overall has plenty of inline citations, and sources look reliable. So, yes, "issues resolved" as far as I can judge. To me, ALT1 seems more interesting than the other two. [Carlo, sorry to split your post here, I've outdented ALT2] I did have some trouble understanding some of the history and locations, but that's not a problem for DYK. I'll try to describe what I mean on the article's talk page, rather than here. If anything, DYK could help by bringing the article to the attention of additional editors. Please can someone with more experience add a second review &/or put passed=yes above if they agree? [Oh, just saw BabbaQ's addition below, I hadn't refreshed the other page.] Pelagic (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT2:: ... that the Mabitac Church (pictured) is located on a hill named as Calvario? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but now there's actually quite a bit of unsourced material. Also, I don't really see what's interesting about ALT2.--Carabinieri (talk) 18:48, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you taken a look on its citations, Carabinieri? Can you please add a citation tag to those line/s that is/are unsourced? Regarding the hook, it is unusual for a church or Catholic/religious structure to be built on a hill named not after a saint but after Calvary, the site where Christ is crucified. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, Carlojoseph14. Where I live, we don't have many old churches, and the new ones are built on flat suburban land. Also not being an overwhelmingly Catholic country, most of our place names are not related to saints, even the hills that have churches atop. I think the significance of ALT2 would be lost on many people, when you consider a global readership. Suggest ALT1 is preferable. Pelagic (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg - I will now give this a Good 2 go. Hook checks, refs checks and is referenced well, inline citation and close paragraphs check, neutral checks, image checks. Good work.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg BabbaQ, it's a "close paraphrasing" check, not all "close paragraphs" check, so I have to wonder what you did check, especially after having missed the close paraphrasing in the Market Basket protests nomination you passed (which had to be pulled from prep). Let's have someone else check the close paraphrasing just to be safe. Note: I've struck ALT2; I agree with Carabinieri and Pelagic that the significance and interest will not be understood by most people. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Given that most of the sources are offline or in foreign languages, I have to wonder how the close paraphrasing check was even done. In this case, we pretty much have to AGF it, and indeed, both surviving hooks are dependent at least in part on offline sources, meaning the AGF tick is the only one that should have been used. I'm restating Pelagic's AGF tick. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg The ALT1 that Pelagic likes better (and I do, too) was misquoted from the sources. I corrected the number of steps here and in the article. Both sources are online and in English, so the hook ref is verified and cited inline. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way, the image does not show the height of the church at all, and one might be confused by thinking the steps are inside the tower. I think it's best to skip the image and put this in the quirky slot. Yoninah (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, ALT1 also contains a claim about a panoramic view that was not, so far as I could see, in either of those English online sources, but in FN1, which is offline. Unless panoramic is online sourced—if I missed it, my apologies—then AGF is indeed the proper tick. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg OK. Yoninah (talk) 08:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What's up ? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:54, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I moved the hook back from the Prep Area to make way for a Remembrance Day Prep Area. Then I had Calisber move the pic from Prep 3 into Queue 5, which had no pic. Now I've moved the Church back to Prep 3 in its place. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)