Template:Did you know nominations/Onward, Christian Pilgrims


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The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Onward, Christian Pilgrims

 * ... that "Onward, Christian Pilgrims" may have been written as a result of a misinterpretation of Onward, Christian Soldiers?
 * Reviewed: Operation Trojan Horse

Created by The C of E (talk). Self nominated at 20:22, 27 April 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, QPQ checks out. I'm not that happy about the hook - it is clearly just one writer's suggestion. I would think something like this would be better:
 * ALT1: ... that "Onward, Christian Pilgrims" has replaced "Onward, Christian Soldiers" in some British hymnals?
 * StAnselm (talk) 12:15, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Fine.  The C of E  God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 07:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The ALT hook is verified and cited inline. However, I don't think the article is complete. It really should say something about the lyrics, perhaps doing a few line-by-line comparisons with the original hymn. Yoninah (talk) 00:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't list all of them since I think they're copyrighted but I have made a comparison of the choruses. Is this what you were looking for?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. I added from another source as well. Could you check to see that the formatting is to your liking before I approve the nomination? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that format, though you have duplicated it when I think it only needs to be said once.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that the first line appears in both the first stanza and chorus of "Onward, Christian Soldiers", but these lines differ in "Onward, Christian Pilgrims". Do you know how to format the lyrics side by side for comparison? Yoninah (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've put in a table showing the two side by side. Is that OK?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 11:06, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Perfect! New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg This is a bit of a nitpick, but the article doesn't actually say anything about replacing "Onward, Christian Soldiers" in UK hymn books - only that it written as a version of it & that it was published in said books. Could you tweak either the hook or the article? --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why it says "some British hymnbooks", not just "British hymnbooks".  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 07:28, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Alt2 ... that "Onward, Christian Pilgrims" was viewed as a politically correct version of "Onward, Christian Soldiers"?
 * ThaddeusB, I don't see how the hook contradicts the article. The hymn was replaced in Anglican and British crematorium hymnbooks – that's the "some British hymnals" in the hook – and IMO, the ALT1 hook is quite hooky. ALT2 is not sourced; it is just one blogger's opinion. I think we should stick with ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 17:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think he may have misread it. Could you please re-add the green tick if you think there isn't a problem?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 17:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 reconfirmed as good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg My apologies. You are correct - I misread something last night. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)