Template:Did you know nominations/Otro Día Más Sin Verte/Angel (Jon Secada song)/Do You Believe in Us/Sentir


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The result was: rejected by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Hook issues

Otro Día Más Sin Verte

 * ... that Jon Secada's album Otro Día Más Sin Verte was the first Latin album to produce four number-one singles on the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart?
 * Reviewed: Inclusive Church, Telmatobius ventriflavum, Salvador Alvarado, Cletus Seldin, and Nada, Hainan

5x expanded (first two), created (second two) by AJona1992 (talk). Self nominated at 18:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Is it possible to nominate multiple articles like this? Something tells me they should be done separately. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:39, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Snuggums, it's definitely possible, and not uncommon. In fact, it's a good idea for related articles. The main page currently has a hook with two creek articles in it, and prep 3 has a hook about two kinds of coral, each with its own bold article link. Because there are four articles (one album and three singles), there will need to be four QPQs supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Note to AJona1992: the Inclusive Church QPQ was not adequate and cannot be counted; that nomination was pulled and is currently on hold while the nominator makes improvements to the article. The Telmatobius ventriflavum review needs completion—I've marked it for further review—and could be used if you check the remaining criteria. Your QPQ reviews need to mention all the criteria you review, and should cover all those criteria listed above the DYK template editing box. If you have any questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer them. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Notice: I am waiting for all four QPQ's to be completed before giving my assessment of the hook. Ping or message me when they're complete. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:47, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * all four reviews are complete. Best, jona  (talk)  00:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I will now check the sources for this hook Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 01:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg As far as I can tell, we're good to go- reliably sourced, long enough, and interesting hook. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 02:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Snuggums, a DYK review isn't merely an assessment of the hook. You need to review each of the four bold-linked articles for all the DYK criteria: newness, length, neutrality, close paraphrasing, and so on, and say how successfully each fulfills the various criteria, in addition to reviewing the hook. If that's what you actually did, then please be more specific in your write-up. Thanks. (Note: if you aren't prepared to review all four articles, we can call for a new reviewer.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:40, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not being more specific, that was my comment for all four. I also couldn't find any close paraphrasing issues in any of the articles, and am pretty sure they're all neutral. Can't find anything indicating otherwise. The expansion is large enough for the first two articles, and the others were created recently enough. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 02:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Thanks, Snuggums. Good to know. Unfortunately, while the album article should be fine, since it was expanded first, this nomination founders on the three singles articles because they each reuse a huge chunk of the album article, and by WP:DYKSG this requires a 5x expansion of the copied chunk: If some of the text were copied from another Wikipedia article, then it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article. Basically, when "Angel" was expanded from 283 prose characters to the current 2550 prose characters, the new Production and success section included text totaling 849 prose characters copied exactly from the album article. That's 1132 pre-existing prose characters out of 2550; and a 5x expansion would require 6660 prose characters. "Do You Believe in Us" and "Sentir" are in even worse case: 934 prose characters from the "Angel" Production and success section—their entire first paragraphs of the identically named section—were copied into them, making their requirement 4670 prose characters; as they are 1790 and 1999 prose characters respectively, they're impossibly short of what's needed. AJona1992, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but only the Otro Día Más Sin Verte article is going to qualify for DYK. You could use the same basic hook with the singles articles unbolded, but at 211 characters it would need to be edited down by at least 11 characters to remain legal. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Damn, that's unfortunate :/ <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 04:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I trimmed the hook and removed the mentioned singles since I won't be expanding them to comply with the DYK rules. Best, jona  (talk)  18:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Any concerns I might have missed, ? <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 22:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What the source for the hook (FN16) says is not what the hook and article say. The Billboard article says that Secada was the first artist to have "four consecutive No. 1 singles on Billboard's Hot Latin Tracks chart". That's not the same thing as four from the same album, which is what the article and hook say. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * All four singles belonged to his album, I don't see why the source has to say it came from the album if the songs were released from his Spanish-language debut? jona  (talk)  02:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Last call for ! Otherwise it's closing time. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to say close this. Hook isn't supported by given source, and I can't really think of any good alternates. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits)</b> 20:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)