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Pal Dukagjini

 * ... that Alphonso V of Naples assigned an annual provision of 300 ducats to his vassal Pal Dukagjini?
 * Reviewed: Dorothy Manley
 * Comment: ALT1: ... that in 1457 Pope Callixtus III criticized the bishop of Krujë for unjustified excommunication of Pal Dukagjini and his subjects?

Created/expanded by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nom at 21:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svgding to the article on vassalage, it was the norm for vassals to receive a tribute. Also, this article really needs some copyediting.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Am I wrong or your comment that it was the norm for vassals to receive a tribute actually underlines that a hook (which presents the amount of yearly the tribute) is accurate or there is another point? I did some minor copyediting. If you think article needs more your help with it would be highly appreciated.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that this fact isn't that unusual or surprising.--Carabinieri (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. I like this topic so the fact itself was interesting to me (that Pal Dukagjini was vassal of the king of Naples who assigned him a yearly tribute). What do you think about ALT1?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Did another copyedit, cleaned up the article a bit more. Article is in the right timeframe, and is the minimum length. ALT1 is sourced from a [https://books.google.rs/books?ei=6JwVT5y6DYT04QSfpdjMAw&id=SnkBAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%99%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D1%98%D0%B5+%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B5+%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE+%D1%81%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE+%D1%83+%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%98+%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%9B%D0%B8%2C+%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D1%99%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D0%B8%D0%BC+%D1%98%D0%B5+%D1%83+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%98%D1%83%2C+%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8+%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B0%22&q=%22%D0%9E%D0%BD%D0%B8+%D1%81%D1%83+%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5-+%D1%9B%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8+%D0%B4%D0%B0+%D1%9B%D0%B5+%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8+%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8.+%D0%A7%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0+%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8-+%D1%86%D0%B5+%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B5+%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B5+%E2%80%94+%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%98%D1%86%D0%B8+%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B8%2C+%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8+%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%99%D0%B8+%D0%B8+%D1%9A%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%9B%D1%83+%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B8+%E2%80%94+%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%99%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D1%98%D0%B5+%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B5+%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE+%D1%81%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE+%D1%83+%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%98+%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%9B%D0%B8%2C+%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D1%99%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D0%B8%D0%BC+%D1%98%D0%B5+%D1%83+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%98%D1%83%2C+%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8+%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B0%2C%22#search_anchor Serbian source here] taking AGF -- Esemono (talk) 04:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not just do a whole review? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to do the phrasing thing Nikkimaria does.-- Esemono (talk) 03:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. It's fairly simple... open the source and the article, and compare how the article phrases things with how the source phrases them. If it's too close, it's a problem. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg There's quite a remarkable work of research for this short but informative article on an historical figure. I did some further research myself and realized there are some serious contradictions on the multiple sources available to us. Pal Dukagjini appears to be the father of Lekë Dukagjini, who is known for his set of laws Kanuni i Lekë Dukagjinit, which is considered to be based on traditions and laws from antiquity and is still used to this day by some families in north Albania. (I suppose this can be an alternative hook). Anyway this seems rather implausible, despite the fact it is written in several sources (i'm posting them in the talk page of the article) according to their birth dates (father born in 1411 and son in 1410!!!). If their parentage is true, then their birth dates are wrong. Otherwise there are 2 different Pal Dukagjinis and we should see which of the facts corresponds to one and which to the other. There are some more issues I'm addressing on the talk page as well. Empathictrust (talk) 22:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right. More than one notable men from Albania shared the same name (Pal Dukagjini). Yes, a father of Leke Dukagjini (connected with kanun) was also Pal Dukagjini and during one part of his life he lived in the same period like "our" Pal. Leke's father died in 1446 (1) note 40 on page 207, 2) and 3) Pal Dukagjin (zemřel v 1446), nebo i Lek II. Dukagjin (vládl 1444-1459),) and he is not the subject of this article. "Our" Pal was founder of the League of Lezhe and later in 1451 and 1454 vassal of the Kingdom of Naples.  --Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You can see here that I noticed the difference between during preparation of the draft of the article.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg For the purposes of the DYK, I don't think this is a problem. The hook alt1 confirms with a reference and the text note, although google books is not generous enough to let me see that text, I will take it on good faith. The article was new enough when nominated. I say give this a go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)