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Parabellum (band)
Created/expanded by Blackmetalbaz (talk), Malconfort (talk). Nominated by Malconfort (talk) at 19:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ... that Parabellum "were pioneers and sonic adventurers operating in a world of violence, squalor and geographical isolation"?


 * Symbol question.svg Size, date, 5x expansion check out. I'd prefer to see the hook properly attributed, with quotation marks, however. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 01:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem.--Malconfort (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Which now leads me to wonder if a hook is acceptable if it is made totally out of a quotation. I think I'll default to a second opinion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 15:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I second Piotrus. This habit of using opinions as facts may be entertaining, but it is a slippery slope to POVland. Particulalry when it comes to critical commentary, which does not profess to be scientific or factual; Parabellum "were" not pioneers and sonic adventurers, they were once described as such by a critic at Zero Tolerance. A critic at Zero Tolerance (and any critic dead or alive) is not the arbiter of facts, he is someone who expresses an opinion for a living. "Were" is a "were described as". Dahn (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ... that Parabellum was the first Colombian extremist group?--Malconfort (talk) 13:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Several issues: To begin with, the part saying that they were the first of anything in Colombia is unsourced. Then again: Why the Easter egg link? We're not doing DYKs to fool people into reading the articles, by presenting them with ambiguous information, at least not on 364 days of the year. It's not like Parabellum is the damned FARC (founded 1964) or M-19 (founded 1970). Especially since, I do believe, "extremist" is not used as an adjectivization of the words "extreme metal". Surely, a hook that has the words "Colombian" and "extreme metal" in it, in some evident relation to each other, would be sufficiently interesting and exotic - it's not like Latin America is the go-to place for metal. Dahn (talk) 14:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The phrase was not directly sourced, but it had one after the following sentence. Anyway, I added an additional reference from the same source to avoid confusion. Well, it is my unorthodox way of writing. I was not I listen to a lot of underground [down under] music, so what you said is not relevant to me. However, I take into consideration what you said, thinking from a different point of view. Do we really need 'by Zero Tolerance magazine'? → ALT 1: "... that Parabellum has been described by Zero Tolerance magazine as one of the first Colombian extreme metal bands?" or ALT 2: "... that Colombia's Parabellum has been described by Zero Tolerance magazine as one of the world's first black metal bands?--Malconfort (talk) 05:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for considering my points. To answer your question, we don't need to say "by Zero Tolerance magazine", we just need to differentiate between "was" and "was described"/"was likened to" etc. where "was" precedes an encomium or a metaphor. When it comes to it being the first metal band, that is not an encomium or a metaphor - it is a verifiable fact, and is picked up from a credible source. So yes, you can actually say: "was one of the first Colombian extreme metal bands" and "was one of the world's first black metal bands", if this information comes from the source that's used in the article. The issue I raised was merely that the fact in your hook was not, as you note, directly referenced; it now is, so that shouldn't be a problem any more.
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg ALT 1. I'll refrain from commenting on ALT 2, because the text does not say it was one of the first in the world, just one of the first in South America. One may imply the other, but that would be a guess. Dahn (talk) 11:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)