Template:Did you know nominations/Paradise Airlines Flight 901A

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 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

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Paradise Airlines Flight 901A

 * ... that after the crash of Paradise Airlines Flight 901A, the Federal Aviation Administration revoked the airline's permission to fly passenger flights? Source: "Hearing May Seal Death of Airline". Oakland, California: Oakland Tribune. 23 April 1964. p. 16.
 * ALT1:... that the crash of Paradise Airlines Flight 901A was the worst crash ever involving the Lockheed L-049 Constellation aircraft? Source: "ASN Aircraft accident Lockheed L-049 Constellation N86504 Lake Tahoe Airport, CA (TVL)". Aviation Safety Network.
 * ALT2:... that after the crash of Paradise Airlines Flight 901A, the Federal Aviation Administration permanently grounded the airline's operations? Source: "Hearing May Seal Death of Airline". Oakland, California: Oakland Tribune. 23 April 1964. p. 16.

Created by RecycledPixels (talk). Self-nominated at 06:31, 7 June 2019 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg For the first hook, perhaps a link for FAA? Shuipzv3 (talk) 16:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Added a link to the FAA. RecycledPixels (talk) 15:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

and I'll take it from here. Bold means issue, no bold means satisfied. AmericanAir88(talk) 14:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * New: Was created a day before nomination from a redirect
 * Long enough: Longer than 1500 words
 * Symbol question.svgn policy: The article has copyvio issues with and . The first link is a bigger violation.
 * Why does Paradise Airlines not have its own article?
 * Now passes Within policy


 * Symbol question.svgHook format: The first hook is interesting, but it is kind of weird that Paradise Airlines does not have its own article. The article is notable without a doubt and its grounding is cited well.
 * Maybe instead of "revoked the airline's permission to fly passenger flights?" say "grounded the airline's operations" That is up to you.


 * Content: These are very interesting hooks. A lesser known airline's being grounded after a crash is interesting, especially with the 737 MAX controversy happening right now. Passes Content.
 * QPQ: This is your first DYK nomination, meaning you are excused from the QPQ rule.

One you fix the two categories with issues, we will together decide which hook would be more appealing (I believe the first) and get the nomination on the list. AmericanAir88(talk) 14:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The first link is the CAB report, which is PD as a work of the US Government. Nonetheless, the article directly quotes the probable cause statement from that report (which appears twice there), so that makes the copyvio percentage appear much higher.  The other part where I was a little unoriginal in my phrasing was the technical discussion of the fluxgate compass, which I didn't want to mess up by trying to paraphrase too much.   The second link is Aviation Safety Network, and the segment of the article that Earwig's copyvio detector flags as a possible copyvio is where both the article and the website directly quote the probable cause statement from the CAB report.
 * Paradise Airlines doesn't have its own article, yet. I deliberately entered it as a redlink and will possibly create it one of these days.  Aside from this incident, which was major news, the company also was in a highly public battle with the CAB over whether or not it should be regulated as an interstate carrier or not, so the company meets notability minimums, and I had no problem locating news sources about the company when I was researching for this article.
 * Hook; I thought the revoked phrasing was better because grounding sounds more temporary, whereas the FAA decision was more of a death sentence for the company; they literally cancelled the company's license to operate flights. But I'm open to better phrasing.
 * Thanks for looking at this. RecycledPixels (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean with the copyvio. Plane crash reports will always trigger. Paradise Airlines should get its own article if there is a crash article based upon it, especially if this is cleared for DYK. A red link is fine for now and if this is passed for DYK, it may encourage editors to create an article.
 * As for the hook, how about ... that after the crash of Paradise Airlines Flight 901A, the Federal Aviation Administration permanently grounded the airline's operations?  Source: "Hearing May Seal Death of Airline". Oakland, California: Oakland Tribune. 23 April 1964. p. 16. AmericanAir88(talk)  14:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that revised hook is good and better defines the fate of the airline. RecycledPixels (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Does ALT2 look good?. AmericanAir88(talk</b>) 14:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I like it. RecycledPixels (talk) 14:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Excellent work on this article and DYK. Prepare for takeoff. <b style="color: blue">AmericanAir88</b>(<b style="color: darkred">talk</b>) 14:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Another reviewer is needed to check ALT2, the wording of which was proposed by the original reviewer, AmericanAir88. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:20, 27 June 2019‎ (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 checks out. Approving based on earlier review. SL93 (talk) 21:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |}}